oscar
Sewin Nut
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Post by oscar on Sept 17, 2007 14:39:02 GMT -1
Hi there,
If you were loading a reel with (in my case) maxima chameleon, for all types of fishing (Salmon, ST, etc) what BS would you use? I have always used 12lb as a rule, but am wondering if I should go down to 10 to help with lighter baits?
What do you think?
Cheers all!
Oscar
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Post by peterross on Sept 17, 2007 15:27:33 GMT -1
Hi Oscar, it rather depends on what you are fishing for and where, personally as its autumn i would stick with the heavier bs as its now salmon that will be the main target, however if you like lighter baits and dont like losing them why not try a braided line?
Ian
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Post by waddington on Sept 17, 2007 17:07:49 GMT -1
I always use 12lb maxima for heavy water in the summer and have yet to be let down by it. I think in autumn there is a case for stepping up to 15lb, especially if you are fishing heavy water. I have considered using braid for a while. I always use it for all my salt water bass spinning. There I think it has the advantage of offering far greater casting distance than mono as well as setting hooks home firmly in what is a bony mouthed fish. I have always been worried about the lack of stretch inherent in braid tending to tear the hook out of soft mouthed fresh run sewin and salmon. Perhaps my suspicions are unfounded?
All the Best
Phil
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Post by Paul Dunstan on Sept 17, 2007 21:08:33 GMT -1
Oscar, have you considered braid? !5 or 20lb braid would have a diameter of something around 6lb BS Maxima - so that answers the issue of being able to cast lighter baits / lures and deal with larger fish and snag ridden 'swims'.
I set up with about a rod's length of mono (10, 12lb or 15 BS) attached to the end of the braid ( use a double grinner knot ) and a Sharpes Ball Bearing swivel 18 - 24" from the lure.
Have a look at Berkley Spiderwire or Rapala Braid - often good deals on Ebay.
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Post by steelheadnut on Sept 18, 2007 3:19:10 GMT -1
If spinning, I always use any of the dyneema lines, Fireline for instance, their 20lb would be equivalent to 4-6lb mono (approx.)
and the end rig would be two Sharpe's ball bearing swivels with a split ring between them, then about 3ft of mono down to the spinner/lure.
Never had a break in the main line, if you do get hooked up in a snag it's always(in my case) the spinner you lose.
Using this set up you can fish for Salmon as well as Sewin with the same main line, so cuts down on carrying a number of reels/spare spools loaded with different lines.
will send you a p.m. check it out ;D ;D ;D
Cap "Steelheadnut"
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Post by dai on Sept 18, 2007 9:03:48 GMT -1
If i am spinning,
i do use 16lb/20lb Berkley Pro whiplash, about 3/4 foot fluorocarbon tied with a sharps BB swivel and the end of the fluorocarbon another sharps BB swivel to a Berkley snap clip. helps for changing lures with out tying knot to lures. this covers me for all my lure fishing for Salmon/Sewin and Bass, and with this type of line can cast lures miles.
you can get good deals on ebay for you braid.
Dai...
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on Sept 18, 2007 9:57:37 GMT -1
 do they still produce that crap ;D For sewin I would go for 8lbs, for salmon 12+15lbs, so a happy medium would be 12lbs - especially if you can get some decent diameters that allows you to cast the lighter lures. TT.
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oscar
Sewin Nut
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Post by oscar on Sept 18, 2007 14:08:48 GMT -1
You don't like it then TT? I won't be selling you any of the 600m I have just bought then!  It's never let me down (probably shouldn't have said that with a fishing hol in about 10 days!)  Cheers for all the advice anyway guys. |
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on Sept 18, 2007 14:12:02 GMT -1
You don't like it then TT? I won't be selling you any of the 600m I have just bought then! he he. Well, if it were the start of spring and I needed some cord to hold my beans up with then you would have had a sale ;D Just pulling your leg mate, if you're happy with it then stick with it. I tend to use the pro gold, but it's just what you've got confidence in. TT. |
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Post by silverinvicta on Sept 18, 2007 16:30:22 GMT -1
Hi Guys, re; Braid...
I have been using a braid I bought on an American site...The Braid is called Power Pro... it is brilliant stuff 15lb gives same diam as 4lb mono...I use a 6-10ft shock leader and have had no probs.
Anyone else tried this? you can get it in the UK now but its cheaper in the States....
Si.......
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Post by stumpyguy01 on Sept 18, 2007 17:32:34 GMT -1
SI its power pro braid all the way for me,best stuff i've ever used,superb knots,nice to cast,no bedding and fairly easy on the rings.spinning or worming no problem....
stumpy....
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Post by Paul Dunstan on Sept 18, 2007 17:38:42 GMT -1
I have been using a braid I bought on an American site...The Braid is called Power Pro... it is brilliant stuff 15lb gives same diam as 4lb mono...I use a 6-10ft shock leader and have had no probs. Anyone else tried this? Si....... I've got Power Pro loaded on a small Abu Multiplier that I use on a 6' 6" baitcaster. A nice combination that's quite capable of casting a 5cm Rapala. I've had salmon to 9lb on this set up - a great deal of fun! |
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Post by shedhed on Sept 18, 2007 18:44:47 GMT -1
Having dabbled in the dark arts of pike and predator fishing, I can confirm the power pro braid is highly thought of. And braid is the first line of choice for the lure angler. For ST I use 15lb and Salmon 20lb
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Post by peterross on Sept 18, 2007 18:55:09 GMT -1
A word of caution, if you pull on braid like you would a piece of nylon it can cause nasty lacerations, can chew your rod rings and your line lay on your reel!!
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Post by DAZ on Sept 18, 2007 22:00:25 GMT -1
I haven't spun or bait fished for a few years now,but when I did,I used nothing but braid (Fireline) for the lot....Salmon,seatrout,bass etc!,I loved the stuff.I have tried quite a few braids over the years and for me personally I found Fireline to be the best.It is quite springy to start with but settles down after a while,it also looses it's colour after a bit of use and looks awful to the eye,but it does not effect it's performance/strength one bit. Spider wire is about the worst I tried...Shite IMHO!.I have a brand new spool of it here somewhere in 10lb bs if anyone wants it. I remember reading a test which was carried out on most of the braids available at the time in one of the mags....I think it was sea angler?......and Fireline came out on top.If my memory serves me well,the 20lb bs Fireline which was on test,broke at 48. something lbs on the scale....Impressive!. I would use braid over mono any day of the week.Every reel I own,fixed spool,multiplier,is loaded with it.I also think it's bullshite that x amount of fish are lost on it because of the zero stretch,I have never found this to be the case.....If it were that bad I am pretty sure alot of the top carp anglers wouldn't use it.They may wait for days on end for one run,I'm sure they wouldn't risk bumping a fish off because of a zero stretch line,and stick with the mono.  DAZ. |
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Post by sewinbasher on Sept 18, 2007 22:38:50 GMT -1
On the Wye I always used to use Stren as a main line, 17lb on a multiplier in the spring and 14lb on a fixed spool later in the season and with both I used a yard of 15lb or 10lb Maxima from the bottom swivel to the bait.
I started with yellow Stren as it enabled me to know where my bait was with great accuracy but I got laughed at so much I switched to the blue which is still quite visible but less prone to ridicule. Stren is a great line being fairly stiff, low stretch and abrasion resistant and I was perfectly happy with it until I tried braid.
(I also used yellow Stren in both 30lb and 50lb whilst big game fishing and it was excellent as its stiffness presented trolled baits well and it was very easy to see where the fish was whilst manouvering the boat.)
I now use 20lb braid on my both reels with the same Maxima final link and find it excellent with a lot more "feel". Being thinner than a respectable breaking strain of mono it casts better and I always tend to use rods with a through action and have not suffered greatly from losing fish. My only complaint is that line twist of braid when using a fixed spool is more apparent than with mono and more upsetting to the eye.
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Post by silverinvicta on Sept 18, 2007 23:12:05 GMT -1
I have to say that this is not the first time i have used braid, used it a few times over the years, but only when ledgering... Aint found one i am happy with for trotting ;D ;D yet... The only reason i use a shock leader is i dont like the dark braid near my lure... i am sure its a personal thing but it's the confidence game again so......
Si
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Post by DAZ on Sept 19, 2007 0:03:36 GMT -1
The only reason i use a shock leader is i dont like the dark braid near my lure... i am sure its a personal thing but it's the confidence game again so...... Si Me to Bap!. But there are one or two other reasons why I used one........It's bloody strong!. Tying this stuff direct to a lure or end tackle is a bit dodgy I would say.I used 20lb fireline for my plugging for bass with a couple of feet of 20lb fluro carbon leader.Trying to pull this free from a snag was a hell of a struggle,every time the fluro would break at the knot.I wouldn't fancy trying to pull it free when tied direct to the lure.Something will break,probably your lure,or reel,or if you are dull enough to rap it around your bare fleshed arm when trying to pull it free.....You'll cut your bloody arm off. ;D.....I always carried a something to rap round my arm before doing like wise with the braid when pulling out of a snag. I would recommend the use of some sort of leader at all times,or a weak link of some kind for sure!. DAZ. |
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Post by steelheadnut on Sept 19, 2007 3:31:45 GMT -1
Two best braids, in my opinion, Power pro and Fireline, which isn't a true braid in the sense of the word, but who cares, it's fantastic stuff, both lose colour over time, and they "fray" but still retain their strength and the attaching knot couln't be easier, never had a break in the stuff, and using a shock leader makes sense or you'll go through more rods than line . Only thing to watch out for is an over run, had one or two myself  , not very often, the stuff can knot up terribly if you don't keep your mind on the game, but then I tend to fly fish more than spin any way. Hope we get enough rain soon to bring the levels up, would like a couple of outings before the end (Salmon), finished Sewin fishing couple of weeks ago after hooking up some dark fish. Cap ;D ;D ;D 2 |
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Post by johnriverlune on Sept 19, 2007 8:32:41 GMT -1
I've used fireline for the past 4 years and found it to be completely reliable, I use 14lb for my salmon spinning and worming, for worming you can feel every pebble on the river bed, but you must have a decent reel with the drag set correctly, there is no forgiveness with this line especially on a short line, I use a Mac martin 11 foot spin /bait special and a shimano 5000 and its a perfect set up. I use the same set up for carp but with 6lb line and have had very few lost fish.
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do they still produce that crap ;D 
