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Post by shocker on Sept 19, 2007 9:11:22 GMT -1
Ive been on braid this past 2 seasons (not that Ive got out much) and use it straight through without any leader,mainly due to narrow river/short rod syndrome,so less line outside top ring to get snagged on trees. While I enjoy the increased feedback from the business end the problem I have had is loops of braid coming off the spool and causing tangles..........I was taught always to fill the spool to the lip with mono to cut down friction/drag on casting,maybe this is not the best way with braid..........  ???Opinions please,compadres loopy shocksie  |
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Post by silverinvicta on Sept 19, 2007 11:14:25 GMT -1
Hi Loopsy..... I aint had that problem with braid, though i am careful to feather my cast at the last min and "LAY" the lure on the surface so i dont have much slack line at the reel as my finger is already on the spool, I also put the bale arm over by hand...Too springy a braid or too limp will help loops to fall off the spool....find one thats in between. Braid will soften with use and as Daz has already said, will often discolour... this is due to the fact that the fibres dont take dyestuff very well but you can re-colour with a permanent marker, if you want to. It will wear off again in time, but if your fussy??? Just keep using it Shocks and it may soften itself and try what i have said. Bap (only to my friends) PM sent |
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Post by dai on Sept 19, 2007 15:38:16 GMT -1
Shocker, When using braid it is best not to fill to the brim as with mono, you should always leave a lip of about 1/8 of an inch from the lip. this might not sound much, but as braid is super thin 1/8 is a lot in some cases  i am sure you will find that you will not get any more problems ;D. happy lure fishing.. Dai |
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Post by Paul Dunstan on Sept 19, 2007 18:57:33 GMT -1
One thing to be aware of when using braid is that it is very light and if your reel spool is very full, fishing in anything like a wind can be problematic - especially if you're fishing it off a fixed spool.
Another cautionary word about knots! Do not rely on a Tucked Blood Knot! It may well slip. When tying on to swivels use a Palomar Knot or a Grinner Knot - pass the braid twice through the eye. Tying a monofil 'leader' to the braid, use a double grinner - to be ultra secure add a dab of super glue to the knot.
To cut braid, use braid scissors - available from coarse fishing tackle shops.
Get it right - braid is brilliant. Get it wrong - it can be a bit of a nightmare!
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Post by Paul Dunstan on Sept 20, 2007 14:42:54 GMT -1
Someone's already mentioned potential dangers when getting snagged whilst using braid - there is the potential to get serious cuts if you try and pull for a break with line wrapped around a hand. Better to wrap braid around an arm that's protected by a coat sleeve - and most important - turn your back and duck! - I have seen an xray of a 2oz lead embedded deep in an eye socket!
There is also a great chance to break a rod if you don't pull straight through the rings - bouncing and tugging with the rod is a No No!
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Post by shocker on Sept 20, 2007 14:57:05 GMT -1
heres one that someone (probably darkwader) might know........ if its illegal under the salmon and freshwater fisheries act to use an otter or planing board ,does that mean that using these devices to rescue your snagged lure is forbidden?Does "use" in this case only mean actively trying to catch fish? pedantic shocks PS I'm assuming people are familar with the said devices,and yes,I do know what the common sense answer is but since when did common sense and law ever go hand in hand.......?? |
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Post by shocker on Sept 20, 2007 15:04:08 GMT -1
Thanks for the advice lads!  I will take some line off've the spool and feather my casts in future BTW,i'm using a cheap fladen reel with the braid as I was concerned that it would cut into the bail rollers on my trusty old mitchell 300s.The only other modern fixed spool reels I have are knock off versions of baitrunners and they are way too heavy for the little spinning rod I normally use on rivers.Has anyone had braid eat into their rollers?Sounds painful,doesnt it? ;D |
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Post by DAZ on Sept 20, 2007 15:37:58 GMT -1
.Has anyone had braid eat into their rollers?Sounds painful,doesnt it? ;D Never Shocks!....Iv'e used it on the same reel for years. DAZ. |
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Post by Paul Dunstan on Sept 20, 2007 17:23:20 GMT -1
heres one that someone (probably darkwader) might know........ if its illegal under the salmon and freshwater fisheries act to use an otter or planing board ,does that mean that using these devices to rescue your snagged lure is forbidden?.......?? Absolutely not. It's not so long ago that circular, plastic ones were given away as a freebie in Trout & Salmon. (Some bright spark will now tell me it was 20 years ago - it doesn't seem that long ago to me!) The thing with braid is that if your lure gets stuck on the opposite bank or a tree - just pull the bank or the tree over to your side! ;D |
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Post by johnriverlune on Sept 21, 2007 18:44:44 GMT -1
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Post by shocker on Sept 21, 2007 19:32:06 GMT -1
[glow=red,2,300]get rid of that mitchell[/glow] who said there was only one,i've got seven! shimano,nice idea,but got a landrover to get through the test,a failing farm,an ailing wife and am on disability.Thanks for the advice but it aint gonna happen just now. Besides I've landed some serious fish on mitchell drags before,not saying that new isnt better,just that old will have to do me for now As to moving into the 21st century,I was looking at starting fishing cane rods again........... stingy,old fogey (but grateful for input) shocksie  |
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Post by watermole on Sept 21, 2007 21:10:23 GMT -1
Re. spinning reels;
Johnriverlune; I don't have a great deal of spinning experience, but what is the virtue of having a drag adjustment from the rear?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that, in fixed-spool fishing, the drag was always pre-set, a little on the light side and if further pressure is needed, you apply it by finger upon the spool.
Do you find that braid, particularly the oval or flat section ones, tend to twist up very much, in comparison to nylon lines?
Advice from anyone please!
I am considering putting my 'Elarex' multiplier back into use this winter. Could someone recommend a suitable brand and b.s. of braid to use with it?
The reel is 'direct' geared (handle does not dis-engage from drive), but is very free-running and max. casting distance would be about 40-50' with a 3" minnow.
I'll probably have fire and brimstone rain down on me from Shocker for saying this , but I personally, never rated Mitchell reels very much!! They had their devotees, but as an engineering concept , not very good! Gear ratio too high, terrible flyer balance, awful, noisy and far too tiny, constant-mesh gears...not a patch on the original 'Ambidex' !!!
Wm.
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Post by silverinvicta on Sept 21, 2007 21:35:35 GMT -1
Hi David, I would recommend "Power Pro" it's a really good braid, and can be had very reasonably priced, I bought mine from a lad in the States....300 mtr for £13 .00 including postage... i have had no problems and have used it in freshwater and salt....Fireline is another good one but is a lot more expensive...DONT buy Spider-Wire  it's cr*p...Power Pro at 15lb has a diameter of 4lb mono... you can buy it lighter than 15lb...good for worming in heavy flows. Bap |
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Post by watermole on Sept 22, 2007 6:55:06 GMT -1
Thanks Bap,
'Power Pro' seems to be very highly recommended by many people, so that will be the one for me.
Apart from a bit of back-end salmon fishing on the Fowey,I'm going to have a little go at the estuary flounders this winter;
-breaks up the close season a bit!
Wm.
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Post by dai on Sept 22, 2007 7:41:34 GMT -1
Watermole, Don`t want to go against john, but i would not go for the light braid for a multiplier reel because it will dig in to its self, plus if you get a birds nest it will be a bugger to sort out. i have two ABU reels one 5500 and a 6500, which i use for Pike. the 5500 is loaded with 50lb/s and the 6500 is loaded with 80lb b/s, i know that they are high B/Strains but i use big lures and you will find that if you have an over run with braid as it is so fine it ill cut itself. so if you use a higher b/strain you will not get it cutting in to its self and a lot easier to sort out, so i would go for 20lb/30lb B/strain which is still only the same size as 6lb b/stain. Dai |
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Post by shocker on Sept 22, 2007 8:05:45 GMT -1
I'll probably have fire and brimstone rain down on me from Shocker for saying this , but I personally, never rated Mitchell reels very much!! They had their devotees, but as an engineering concept , not very good! Gear ratio too high, terrible flyer balance, awful, noisy and far too tiny, constant-mesh gears...not a patch on the original 'Ambidex' !!! Wm. [glow=red,2,300]SACRILEGE!![/glow] If t was anyone except from the 'Mole saying this they would face the fate of trelawney,viz: emptying dozmary pool with a holed cockle shell after being chased by hell hounds.And since I spent some schooltime in essex,I could probably manage the shade of the old witchfinder general Mathew Hopkins too........!!!!!! but since David actually knows what he's talking about,and I rarely do,I wont ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by silverinvicta on Sept 22, 2007 8:21:56 GMT -1
Dai, i aint advocating what bs David is to use, I would not be that presumptious, I am giving him an example of the diameter at a given bs, It is entirely up to David what diameter or BS he uses. And lower bs's are handy for worming in heavy water as the reduced diameter can mean a large saving in total area exposed to the flow.
Si
PS David is not using a multiplier as such he is using a direct geared reel
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Post by steelheadnut on Sept 22, 2007 9:57:16 GMT -1
Dai, I use a 6501 filled with 20lb Power Pro,and another with 30lb fireline. The only time I have an over run is when I'm not concentrating, and as for digging in it's never hapened to me( famous last words) I wouldn't come down any further in B.S. the 30lb line is thin enough and casts mepps from size 0 upwards with ease and as Paul said it can cut through your fingers like cheese wire. Off out fishing now with my 7 fingers and 1 thumb ;D ;D ;D ;D Cap |
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Post by johnriverlune on Sept 22, 2007 10:42:45 GMT -1
shocker, sell 6 of your mitchells on e bay, and buy one shimano, keep one of your geriatric reels if you must, but you will thank me for this advice..........eventually!
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Post by shocker on Sept 22, 2007 11:04:49 GMT -1
John of the river lune,I already thanked you for the advice,but to sooth your hurt feelings............... [glow=red,2,300]THANK YOU JOHN,I AGREE WITH YOU,AND YOU ARE RIGHT[/glow] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D really tho',yes thats a good idea,a shimano would be nice,they are lovely reels and that may be just the way for me to get one meek shocks |
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???Opinions please,compadres 
i am sure you will find that you will not get any more problems ;D. happy lure fishing..
it's cr*p...Power Pro at 15lb has a diameter of 4lb mono... you can buy it lighter than 15lb...good for worming in heavy flows.