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Post by watermole on Sept 22, 2007 12:00:29 GMT -1
Many thanks to John, Dai, Steelheadnut & all for your most helpful hints and advice-it really is appreciated.
My Elarex is currently loaded with Caradoc 'Three fishes' brand, braided nylon, 18lbs. b.s. It's been on there for over 30 years, I've had my moneys' worth, so it's about time it was renewed!!!
I do take the point about fine lines 'burying' under load, -an important one to consider..
Shocker, What I said about Mitchells was a bit mean and is taken back-I don't want to empty Dozmary pool-it was bad enough filling it up with a drilled spoon!! ;D
Mitchells-particularly the 300/301-have been made to an essentially, unchanged design for decades, have been sold in countless thousands and have caught a lot of fish for a lot of people all over the world!
For all their faults, they have a proven track record in many branches of angling and continue to give much pleasure to their owners; hand-on-heart, I have to say that, I still prefer the appearance of the older, more compactly designed reels.
......but, those Shimanos do look rather tempting, don't they!
Wm.
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Post by shocker on Sept 23, 2007 9:54:38 GMT -1
Many thanks to John, Dai, Steelheadnut & all for your most helpful hints and advice-it really is appreciated. My Elarex is currently loaded with Caradoc 'Three fishes' brand, braided nylon, 18lbs. b.s. It's been on there for over 30 years, I've had my moneys' worth, so it's about time it was renewed!!! I do take the point about fine lines 'burying' under load, -an important one to consider.. Shocker, What I said about Mitchells was a bit mean and is taken back-I don't want to empty Dozmary pool-it was bad enough filling it up with a drilled spoon!! ;D Mitchells-particularly the 300/301-have been made to an essentially, unchanged design for decades, have been sold in countless thousands and have caught a lot of fish for a lot of people all over the world! For all their faults, they have a proven track record in many branches of angling and continue to give much pleasure to their owners; hand-on-heart, I have to say that, I still prefer the appearance of the older, more compactly designed reels. ......but, those Shimanos do look rather tempting, don't they! Wm. Ahh,the old three fishes!Ive been using mine to repair electric sheep nets and as building plumbline.....built to last! I take no offence at the comments on the mitchells,they are a bit oversized and with your engineers eye I can see why you prefer the more compact ambidex.Growing up in the 70s it was the 300 that one aspired to,what all the top blokes used and all over the angling times,whereas Ambidex was just another name in the shakespeare catalogue,since youngs had been swallowed up.Looking now at the old,real (sorry) ambidex it does look very neat and business-like and got me looking through my collection as it rang bells.............the american Penn 712 is a dead ringer! The 712 was a 60s -70s standard fixed spool choice of discerning US anglers,I got mine from my american father in law,and a fine reel it is too.Just this morning spooled it up with some braid for imminent use......... David,how well I remember your constant labour filling dozmary....but as I remember it you were allowed to drill your own spoon holes and you calculated them to perfection to keep you just ahead of the game.And you always had a dog biscuit ready for those hell hounds! Been looking at shimanos on e bay,so I may yet join this millenium,john lune! reluctant spender shocksie ;D
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Post by dai on Sept 23, 2007 10:10:59 GMT -1
I must say boys you all go on about the 300/301, have had them myself. but i did like the 410 used it a lot. but like the 300s they did wobble when you used them,and it was a job to get line in the eye of a hook after half way though a days fishing Dai
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Post by silverinvicta on Sept 23, 2007 12:14:01 GMT -1
The thing with the 300 / 301 was,that at their time of manufacture, they were one of the best reels available... Watermole likes the Ambidex..the first full bale arm jobs were ok then the design and colour changed and imo they were never the same reels.. another reel of the Time was the Allcock Felton crosswind...it had an oscillating spool to stop line bedding in and give longer casts, a big heavy ugly reel but years ahead of it's time.I agree modern reels leave the 300 series standing, BUT, the one thing that the 300 had for me was the flyer design... it was not the best drag and most lads I knew played a big fish by back winding. The flyer on the 300 was a great design for putting your finger under the base of the flyer to slow a fish down I used the "high speed"versions, I used the Ot-amatic , the pre-runner to the automatic version and the 410's the prince and the C.A.P. NON BEAT, FOR ME, THE 300....The Prince was a lovely little version of the 300 and the CAP was another small reel that was very popular...now if the 300 was so bad WHY did more anglers use them than any other fixed spool reel, at least they did on the Northern match circuits that I used to fish... another good reel of it's time was the Dam quick finnessa , I still have a couple somewhere.. though not sure which country they,re in ;D So if a reel does what you want it to, and you trust it.. then its not a bad thing..I also think that Shimano's are well over priced for what they are.. though a nice reel.. ok for TACKLE TARTS Bap....
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Post by johnriverlune on Sept 23, 2007 19:30:52 GMT -1
TACKLE TART! Ive never been so insulted in my life!
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Post by silverinvicta on Sept 23, 2007 20:28:38 GMT -1
Why ever should you feel insulted.. I had no thoughts of you at all when i wrote what i have written... but if the cap fits? ? Bap
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Post by Hoppy on Sept 23, 2007 20:34:18 GMT -1
I really have lost the plot this season with braid, its caused me no end of problems.... Started off with some 18lb stuff, great diameter, but it had an awful habit it twisting in mid air, causing all sorts of mess. The moved to Berkley Whiplash Pro - had the same problems. I dont know what the problem is between me and braid, but ive gone back to good ol fashioned mono - Stren at the moment. Perhaps i was doing something wrong, but a few of my friends have been having the same grief? As for the Shimano Baitrunner - brilliant reel, i love it - its never let me down - available for around £65.00 on the net Hoppy
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Post by DAZ on Sept 23, 2007 20:40:40 GMT -1
As for the Shimano Baitrunner - brilliant reel, i love it - its never let me down Hoppy Not another "Tackle tart"... .....I got 3.. I bet that bloody Dunstan got 4... ;D DAZ.
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Post by sewinbasher on Sept 23, 2007 20:44:46 GMT -1
I really have lost the plot this season with braid, its caused me no end of problems.... Started off with some 18lb stuff, great diameter, but it had an awful habit it twisting in mid air, causing all sorts of mess. The moved to Berkley Whiplash Pro - had the same problems. I dont know what the problem is between me and braid, but ive gone back to good ol fashioned mono - Stren at the moment. Perhaps i was doing something wrong, but a few of my friends have been having the same grief? As for the Shimano Baitrunner - brilliant reel, i love it - its never let me down. Hoppy I have to say that I find braid a lot better on multipliers than fixed spool provided that it is not too thin in diameter. I have over 150 yards on my Abu 5601 which would not be possible with even 14lb mono. I don't like the very visible twisting that a fixed spool gives it although it's happening with mono too but you just don't see it and it can untwist a little more easily. You get a fantastic level of feeling through the braid and for a fixed spool I use a Shimano Baitrunner with two spools, one has 14lb Stren and the other 25lb braid, which I use depends on conditions, if I'm only casting fairly short distances on a small river I tend to use the Stren but for longer throws it's the braid. I particularly like braid for fishing floating or buoyant devon minnows behind a Wye lead as you can feel the lead bumping the bottom even at 50 yards.
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Post by cmicol on Sept 24, 2007 21:07:12 GMT -1
- I have been using mono for sea trout since 1995 with very few unhooking (10%) - I tried braided lines (Power Pro) in 2005 and 2006, and I lost many fishes (around 75%) unhooked from my Rapala after a few seconds from strike. - Having lost 2 sea trout with braided line in June 2007, I switched back to mono (Berkley 0.30 mm fluorocarbon, Berkley 0.33 mm fluorocarbon and Shimano Beatmaster 0.30 mm) ..... and I took 9 sea trouts without loosing any fish. In my case it seems that mono is better for sea trout due to higher elasticity. I'm also fishing brown trout, perch and pike and I do not have problems with braided lines with them.
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