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Post by lochbois on May 2, 2008 5:41:43 GMT -1
Im going to get my fresh spools of Maxima monofilement line .I have used this make for about 30 years .Are these new flourocarbon and copolymer leader materials worth the extra money.I have tried flourocarbon ,but i have always gone back to my tried and tested Maxima for all my fishing.  |
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Post by JT on May 2, 2008 6:14:00 GMT -1
Hi Lochbois,
I don't know what % of anglers are still using nylon but there seems a hard core of maxima fans still out there.
Fluoro cuts through the water naturally - requiring little or no maintenance in the form of sink mix, grease etc.
It also has a narrower diameter to breaking strength - meaning that you can use stronger line without compromising presentation/visibility. Also means you can fish finer diameter for spooky fish with a higher corresponding breaking strain.
It's refractive index is closer to water than nylon as I understand and so is less visible.
Nylon suffers from friction weakening of knots - hence the need to wet before pulling knots tight. I still do this with fluoro but more out of habit than a need.
Different fluorocarbon materials seem to suit different anglers' knots - some struggle with knot strength with particular makes. More subtle issues involve anglers, in the case of forming droppers for example, moving to prefer 3 turn waterknots rather than four or four to three etc.
I also recall that it has better abraison resistance - if you're fishing in rocky waters.
It is more expensive than nylon but I think the benefits outweigh any negative elements... but thats a personal choice.
I can recommend highly the Fulling Mill and the Berkley Vanish brands - both have consistently performed and the FM is regarded as a "budget" line but is consistently praised by folk on here and other forums.
Hope this helps - I'm sure there are some advantages of nylon over FC but I've forgotten them having moved over a few years ago.
Best regards,
Jon
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 2, 2008 6:33:04 GMT -1
Hi Lochbois,
depends when you're fishing basically. If you're daytime fishing then yes I would recommend some fluorocarbon, and three in particular; Fulling mill world class (quite stiff, and good for standard wet-fly fishing), Airflo G3 (amazing diameter to breaking strain, and quite cheap £13 for x2 100m spools), Seaguar (very expensive, but very good).
If it's for night fishing then really don't bother! It would just be a waste of money. There is 100%, without questionable doubt, no need to use fluorocarbon at night. I sometimes use it in very heavy breaking strains (15-20lbs) for surface lures, but that's for other reasons. Stick with your maxima ultragreen in 12lbs and you won't go far wrong. Otherwise, my personal favourite is Pro Gold, fantastic stuff! You can buy smaller spools, but I tend to opt for the 500m spools, which will cost you about £12 and last you all season - you can even spin with the same stuff, so one spool covers all.
TT.
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Post by lochbois on May 2, 2008 6:38:24 GMT -1
Thanks for the advice Jon ,the rivers and reservoirs where i fish in the north-east are peaty stained ,thats one of my reasons for the dark maxima . i suppose you get what you pay for ,its the same with the fly you have confidence in ,Yours Sincerly Peter
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Post by dai on May 2, 2008 8:41:53 GMT -1
lochbois, Lot of good info off JT, for you to get on with, i do tend to use fluorocarbon for 100% of my sewin and swff, but i am very lucky as i get all my lines foc. but will say do find it not as good as standard mono on knots, have had knots part on me when using it. and i do use the good old spit to do the knots up but still have had problems, more so with the berkley varnish one. but your Maxima i would say would do fine for night fishing. it is also said on this thread about using fluorocarbon when using a surface lure, it will be good also for that as fluorocarbon will sink as soon as it hits the water and does not show any trace of line to the lure which is good, but do not think you would have to worry about that in the dark my thoughts. hope this helps you as i am sure the other posts have. Dai  |
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Post by tuniwes on May 2, 2008 9:12:41 GMT -1
Hi Lochbois, depends when you're fishing basically. If you're daytime If it's for night fishing then really don't bother! It would just be a waste of money. There is 100%, without questionable doubt, no need to use fluorocarbon at night. I sometimes use it in very heavy breaking strains (15-20lbs) for surface lures, but that's for other reasons. Stick with your maxima ultragreen in 12lbs and you won't go far wrong. TT. Agree 100%. fluro,100% waste of money for sea trout. Ian |
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 2, 2008 10:19:21 GMT -1
For once I agree with you Dai  ;D Berkley Vanish it terrible stuff, extremely brittle - as SwimSwim found out on the recent trip to the Rio Grande  getting snapped on the 17lbs Vanish.... The use of the heavy fluoro for surface lures is partly for cutting through, which I doubt makes any difference. But more so because of its stiffness - e.g. seaguar, which is a stiff, hard fluoro. This, combined with the higher diameters (I would use seaguar in 19lbs - may seem barbaric, but it's the same diameter as 12lbs maxima ultragreen!), helps turn over surface lures with bulky heads, such as jambos, a lot easier than standard mono IMHO. TT. |
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Post by Simon, SJF or Otter Startler on May 2, 2008 14:55:54 GMT -1
Seaguar 14.5lb and 19lb is what I like to use at night, not because of its "low visibility" but due to its stiffness and low diameter high strength. It is pricey but you are only using a few meters a night.
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Post by Paul Dunstan on May 2, 2008 14:56:08 GMT -1
I like to use fluoro for daytime / early evening work with smaller flies near the surface and personally would look no further than Fulling Mill World Class. I've never had a problem with its knot strength but then again I'm quite 'picky' with my knots - if it doesn't seem to tighten / snug down (technical term!) well - I'll cut and re-tie.
For all other work I use Rio Max. It's quite a hard, steely Mono that knots well and has good abrasion resistance, particularly in the 10 to 20lb breaking strains that I would use at night.
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Post by lochbois on May 3, 2008 4:27:56 GMT -1
Thanks for the info ,i have still got some 10 pound ultra green which i bought on a one-shot spool,i have also found it shows up better when it is still possible to tie a fly on around dusk.I use a dropper tied with a three turn water knot ,and fish with my Bibio and Peter-Ross .Better stick to the same team for 2008.
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Post by dai on May 3, 2008 9:09:05 GMT -1
For once I agree with you Dai ;D Well i don't believe it, ;D ;D Same as you, for surface lure i use Nash fluorocarbon he does two types soft and stiff. and as you say the stiff does turn over the big lures well, and lay straight dai. |
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Post by spyderweb on May 3, 2008 11:52:46 GMT -1
Nylon for me, I used fluorocarbon and could'nt get it to sink even when de-greased, airflo it was. One word describes fluorocarbon [CRAP], another marketing scam to empty your pockets and increase pollution, and i'ts poisonous, the same as your non-stick coating on your frying pan. Stick to reliable nylon. At night I use a dark coloured nylon so I can see it better to tie flies on. It doesn't put the fish off, why make it more difficult for yourself using clear line. spyderweb
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Post by lochbois on May 3, 2008 15:13:10 GMT -1
to Spyderweb, i used that Uncle Jacks and i wasnt impressed,i like the dark maxima ,but i find that I can see the ultra-green better .<i only have vision in one eye ,i think its time i got some glasses>old age is catching up.Dont know what my eyesight is like this season ,i havent got my licence yet.
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Post by Paul Dunstan on May 3, 2008 17:02:26 GMT -1
....I used fluorocarbon and could'nt get it to sink even when de-greased, ..... spyderweb Amazing! Flourocarbon, because of its molecular structure sinks approximately 4 times faster than mono. I've never used the Airflo product but I think it's a bit extreme to brand all flourocarbon as crap! |
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 3, 2008 18:17:42 GMT -1
Totally agree with you Paul, all fluoro certainly isn't crap - a pretty wide brush stroke there Spyderweb?
Fluoro certainly does have it's uses, bit of a horses for courses scenario. Much like standard nylon, some are good some are bad, but to brand the whole market as crap is certainly not that case.
TT.
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 3, 2008 18:24:04 GMT -1
i used that Uncle Jacks and i wasnt impressed,i like the dark maxima The uncle jacks wasn't the best, neither was the sightfree. However, the G3 is excellent stuff - and probably half the diamater of maxima. Dark maxima (chameleon) quite possible one of the worst nylons I have ever used! It positively glows in a bit of sunlight.... Maxima clear isn't much better, but the ultragreen is an excellent, trustworthy performer. TT. |
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Post by spyderweb on May 3, 2008 18:29:47 GMT -1
TT the wider the better. spyderweb
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 3, 2008 20:20:41 GMT -1
TT the wider the better. spyderweb  sorry, lost you on that one Spyderweb. Why do you say that? Have you tried all fluorocarbons to ascertain this? Otherwise, I would find your view to be narrow? TT. |
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Post by silverinvicta on May 4, 2008 0:22:09 GMT -1
Got to agree with Steffano...I think MAXIMA dark is crap as a leader...used it in the lower breaking strains for yrs,for a running line, but not without a trace.. The higher breaking strains.. I wont have it in my bag. I will however use the ultra green... a good line... and believe me.. I have tried some lines over the yrs.. for daytime in the lower bs I presently like STROFT or SHOGUN... For night time, I use PRO GOLD GREEN..super line.. I dont like PRO-GOLD CLEAR... Neither do I see the point of Flourocarbon at night.. and have never been happy with any I've tried for daytime fishing.. overhyped by manufacturers & overpriced as well.....Thats only MY opinion and all things are down to personal taste.. if you have confidence in something, use it.. but please dont try to convince me about flurocarbons... I have already made my mind up... ;D ;D ;D ;D.. Carp will pick up a piece of string with a baited hook on it.. if presented properly.. and some folk say they are clever?? Correct presentation is the key.... Si |
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Post by lochbois on May 4, 2008 4:56:34 GMT -1
silverinvicta .your right its the fashion that sells the line. I can remember when every angler in the magazines fished with a Hardy outfit and a Deerstalker and Tweed,now its Sage and Baseball caps and a pair of breathables.If were not on the water when them fish are takeing we might as well go home.Thanks Peter
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;D Berkley Vanish it terrible stuff, extremely brittle - as SwimSwim found out on the recent trip to the Rio Grande 
getting snapped on the 17lbs Vanish....
sorry, lost you on that one Spyderweb. Why do you say that? Have you tried all fluorocarbons to ascertain this? Otherwise, I would find your view to be narrow?