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Post by cff on Apr 11, 2008 12:55:06 GMT -1
If I am giving the impression of being aggressive then please accept my apologies.
But if you had come along to any recent CFF Meetings you would understand how easy it is to pick up the use of a certain style of communication ...........
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Post by Torgoch on Apr 11, 2008 15:41:54 GMT -1
Yet again again a response from CFF which I view as one made with an air of arrogance as I believe for such an offer knowing the distances involved is surely bordering on the cynical and mistaken way of asking for real support.
I have no interest in the internal dealing of the CFF meetings as I have no desire to fish the Towy, due in part to the exorbitant costs involved in fuel, accommodation and the fees for certain beats and access to beats that I am happy with anyway.
My knowledge of fishery politics is well versed and in terms of fishery expertise, I have many years of active involvement in looking after rivers in Nth wales as the clubs and associations I worked with would attest so I need no lectures on that score !
If at any time we find that a influence of certain anglers in south wales does or cause any detriment to the needs and well being of fisheries in Nth wales then I'm sure the outcome will be predictable.
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Post by Hoppy on Apr 11, 2008 16:58:47 GMT -1
Im sure people have read the threads, but i have editted the last by Torgoch, i dont want this legal stuff on the forum.
It isnt about this.
Hoppy
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Post by clwydman on Apr 11, 2008 21:25:13 GMT -1
CFF your arrogance beggars belief and is not worth responding too. Good luck with your river, don't look my way when the canoeists wreck it forever!
As for your threats, my Grand father gave me a very valuable bit of advice when I was 8, never make threats to people you do not know. They may be far bigger than you.
You have an opinion and an obvious passion for your river which I respect. But attitudes like yours tend to come back and bite you on the ar*e!
To summarise my view, every angler on every river, lake or stream has my full support in their fight to ensure their sport survives. Sorry mate, but you will not get anything from me and I am quite certain that based on the attitude one of the senior members of the CFF shows, I will not be the only one who feels this way.
I do know however a great number of people who fish the Towy, maybe you should have the balls to do the decent thing, and remove an individual from high office on your federation who has quite obviously, scant regard for sea trout and salmon fishing in Wales!
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Post by Hoppy on Apr 12, 2008 6:57:49 GMT -1
Clwydman,
I appreciate that you are upset at CFF's comments, but please appreciate that this is one person and may not necessarily represent the views of other members of CFF.
However i would hope that all of us would support fellow anglers if there were a pollution incident on any river, be it the Towy or Teifi or Clwyd. We need to show our solidarity on this issue, and try not to let personal differences cloud any issues.
Im sure your post will highlight to others your passion about the protection of fisheries, i hope that the campaign is a great success.
Hoppy
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Post by clwydman on Apr 12, 2008 8:02:13 GMT -1
Hoppy, I more than appreciate that CFF's comments do not represent the majority of anglers on the Towy which is why I call for those anglers to make a stance against the insular, ignorant, rude, arrogant views expressed by an individual whose forum name again rather arrogantly in my opinion infers that he is the C.F.F.
This is the second time now that he has attempted to sabotage this national intitiative and for the life of me I cannot understand his motives. Surely if his only concerns are Highplains's ability to represent anglers, then an email or PM conversation between them would be a far better way of settling any concerns he has about Highplains' suitablity to the role he has in this campaign.
Going by grammar, language use and spelling alone on the postings here, I know who my confidence would be in!
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Post by shocker on Apr 12, 2008 8:04:24 GMT -1
Still laughing my arrrse off Shocker..... ;D  ;D awww,shucks!you're making me blush  !always glad to help Ian  ;D ;D shockingly helpful l'il ol' shocksie  |
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Post by moonshadow on Apr 12, 2008 8:07:49 GMT -1
Clwydman
I love my fishing and I love the rivers so
I say this to you and no one else YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED of (editted by admin) your remark.
Moonshadow
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Post by plotter on Apr 12, 2008 9:08:00 GMT -1
got to agree with you there moonshadow, as i said in earlier post
all rivers deserve respect, 1 thing i guarantee is that the rivers were here long before any one of us on this forum, and will be around when all of us on here are long dead and buried.
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Post by clwydman on Apr 12, 2008 9:14:44 GMT -1
Moonshadow, you are right, that was posting late at night and I take that comment back unreservedly. I am sure however that I am not the only angler who has formed the opinion of 'Who do these Towy anglers think they are?" Based totally unfairly on the personal comments made by CFF. What I was rather clumsily trying to project was the point that it is vital we work together not on a river by river basis, however close the relationship between that river trust and the EA is. We have to look at the bigger picture surely.
I do not in any way, shape or form represent the campaign for the protection of fisheries and have never claimed to represent it. I am merely on of quite a few! anglers who support the idea. (maybe you would wish to retract that from your comments)
Moon shadow I also find it very interesting that you pick me up on comments I have made which were unacceptable (and I agree with you), yet you see no reason to comment on any of CFF's comments. Does that mean you feel he is completely right in his approach? and that as an angler of the Tywi you feel the stance taken by CFF is the best for salmon and sea trout of Wales?
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Post by steveR on Apr 12, 2008 9:17:52 GMT -1
Come on lads stick together.
Sort the thred out Hoppy get it back to :
THE CAMPAIGN FOR THE PROTECTION OF WELSH FISHERIES
Steve.
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Post by plotter on Apr 12, 2008 9:24:21 GMT -1
couldnt of said it better myself
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Post by DAZ on Apr 12, 2008 10:25:52 GMT -1
Come on lads stick together. Sort the thred out Hoppy get it back to : THE CAMPAIGN FOR THE PROTECTION OF WELSH FISHERIES Steve. I'll second that....Well said Steve. Personally,I would delete all the insults and snide remarks but!,I will leave it to Hoppy's better jugement!...I'm sure he will do the right thing!.......I know Hoppy is a little tied up at the moment. Chill out a little please Guys!.I know it's a touchy subject!. DAZ. |
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Post by lochbois on Apr 12, 2008 11:23:09 GMT -1
Hello Highplains . I have been following your campaign .You must be feeling very annoyed with what is going on .I Dont no much about welsh rivers but i am learning through the internet. I see you have got 12 Pages and 9,462 views,i live in the N-EAST of England and we have the Tees- Barrage which has ruined the river for fish trying to migrate past this DAM. All anglers in ENGLAND Have got to sign our petitions and also write your fellings and views to the ministers and Envorement Agency Bosses .I Wrote and still do but since learning what an E-Mail was i have been trying to get the people in power to listen.You have got to unite and get the people at DEFRA and all concened that if you get a Severn Barrage your Rivers will end up like the Tees which according to managment is a Class 1 Course Fishery upstream of the Barrage and is now fished by a minority of Migratory Anglers.Hope your viewers get back on track ,they listened about the Sea -Licence at the EA lets hope they will listen to the licence payers in England .Yours Sincerly <lochbois>
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Post by clwydman on Apr 12, 2008 11:51:11 GMT -1
I fully support calls to stick together, one voice for the best for all salmon and sea trout, not just those that are lucky enough to swim up certain rivers.
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Post by DAZ on Apr 12, 2008 12:14:15 GMT -1
Well done you! Also,I know that what you stated before was said in anger/frustration,I've done it myself,we all have.I also fully understand Mikes reaction to it!. Actually,I have had a long hard think about whats gone on here and I would not delete anything myself.I would just be contradicting myself.What ever Hoppy chooses to do though I will be happy with either way!. But please lads....Lets not fight amongst ourselves. DAZ. |
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Post by Hoppy on Apr 12, 2008 12:34:43 GMT -1
I have editted some of the posts, leaving the 'content' on the forum. I have tried to show some fairness in the moderation - but accept that not all will be pleased.
It is a passionate subject, but we need to remain focussed and together on this one.
Some of the comments on here were not helpful, and were posted by more than 1 member of this forum.
We should be united, unless the EAW/EA will divide us and conquor - this would be a disaster for our rivers.
The blame for these problems lies with the managers and policy writers within in the EA/EAW - the have been seriously misguided.
Do not discredit yourselves, or discredit the campaign.
Hoppy
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Post by cff on Apr 12, 2008 13:47:34 GMT -1
Clwydman.
You stated in your posting to Hoppy
Hoppy, I more than appreciate that CFF's comments do not represent the majority of anglers on the Towy which is why I call for those anglers to make a stance against the insular, ignorant, rude, arrogant views expressed by an individual whose forum name again rather arrogantly in my opinion infers that he is the C.F.F.
I should have explained that acting as CFF's Hon Sec, I enquired of Highplains what I needed to know if I was to report back to my members.
I didn't have to ask at all - and could have ignored him - but because of his ongoing campaign, I did so on two counts.
1. What are the details of his case and could it help them or us if we put our weight behind it.
2. On the other hand, if it is something that we need to steer clear of, then we would.
For your information,
CFF represents the interests of 16 angling associations, private fishery owners and individual anglers with fishing rights on the Towy, Taf, Teifi, Loughor, Gwendraeths, Dau Cleddau, Usk and elsewhere across Wales and England - in excess of some 11,000 anglers.
We have a well established record through all our voluntary work, most recently in our ongoing net buyout.
We have a frank working relationship with EAW, sometimes volatile but firm, also with CCW, WAG and local authorities.
We are represented on all the committees that count.
We were instrumental in the creation of the new Carmarthenshire Rivers Trust, of which I am also Secretary.
Perhaps you haven't noticed how I put my 'title/name' here in lower case letters as 'cff''. If as you suggest I was arrogant, it would be in capitals as CFF.
But I'm not and it isn't.
I'm sorry if you do find me arrogant but I'm afraid that's how it is . A spade is a spade. I do not pretend to be - and am not the blue eyed boy up and down the Towy valley - and that's how it should be - otherwise a man might indeed get arrogant. But just like my co elected CFF Officers, keep on trying.
And our next task?
Canoes. Coracles. You name it. The new Marine Billl and the impending associated angling byelaws. Then there's WSTAA's important meeting on Monday with presentations on 2 big subjects, one was aired on this thread and could have significant consequences especially for some rivers.
I won't be there but people from N Wales will be.
And what about the big guns in England, ACA, S&TA, NAFAQ - all are getting cosy. Wales and Scotland are excluded.
Where are we in Wales? Good question.
And finally Clwydman
I've just noticed your apology. Many thanks on everyone's behalf. Even then you couldn't resist yet another sly little dig.
Sad really - but also quite funny. Coming up for their hairdos are your seatrout ?. ;D
I've also emailed Highplains.
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Post by clwydman on Apr 12, 2008 15:49:28 GMT -1
Thank-you for your explanation cff it does help to see why you asked certain questions in certain ways. Might I suggest though that if you want to find out more about an individual, you PM or email him in order to get the information you require if you had thought to have done that, there would have been no chance of anyone misunderstanding your comments.
So now you know all about Highplains and the campaign, do you and the CFF support the intentions?
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Post by highplains on Apr 12, 2008 16:49:53 GMT -1
Just to confirm that I have had an email from cff, although I was not aware it was him at the time as the email was in his own name.
I also replied and provided what I hope is the information he asked for.
Best wishes
Highplains
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