braided leaders

[DAZ]

admin said:

I'm not the best person to answer your question,

....After the season you've have had on the ladies.

You are more qualified than most of us on here to give info mate,and it shows in your well explained posts.

admin said:

To be fair i enjoy this way of fishing, its a great way of searching the water, and by employing it i have caught more fish.

Probably "double" the amount that you would have caught using other methods.It's a must learn method for any serious grayling angler IMHO!.

I thought it was going to be easy when I first tried it. but there really is a skill in doing it correctly,and alot more to think about than I first thought.I'm glad I took the time out to perfect it. (to the best of my ability anyway!).

I was also lucky to have a good teacher,and this goes for any method,for any species of fish.It's a massive help if you can be taught/shown by someone who knows what they are doing,really knows what they are doing,and not by someone who pretends to know what they are doing.

I will say this though!.I will take all the advice I can get,and off any one,it may come in useful one day....Even if I think it's a load of old shite. ;D

DAZ.

[buzzerman]

okay so according to that daz can some one please take me out and show me please distance not a prob , as long as its mid week [ brownie points given for the teacher and all that ] ;D ;D ;D

[ianw]

Hi All,

I never use braided butts for Nymphing for Grayling as I believe that they hinder the rapid sinking of the flies unless you use a really long point ( tends to negate the use of braid in the first place). I have used Furled leaders years ago (from Dipper Flyfishers) and found them better for the dry fly as they really kicked the fly over.

My setup for the nymph (or bug as they seem to be classified now) was an 11ft rod, 5wt floater with a braid loop connector.

If I used an indicator it would be a cylinder cut from a plastazote block (Yellow) about 3/8ths dia 3/4s long. Simply thread it on the leader with a needle and pull onto the braid loop.

Leader length about 11 ft and favorite material was Smart (low diameter about 6lb).

I have had Grayling and Sea trout take the indicator so I would be tempted to use a sedge type pattern like the Rackelhannen tied with a fluro chartreuse Cul de Canard wing on a dropper about 18 inches from the leader join and lengthen the leader accordingly if I felt it was needed.

I do fish a slightly longer cast than the Czech style but usually not more than about 6 yds of fly line. Generally I would only fish two flies about 2 foot apart with the heavier fly on the dropper.

A good pair to start with would be a cased caddis on the dropper (size 8 l/s with 2 layers of fine lead wire) and either a shrimp or Gold head hares ear on a 10 on the point (1 layer of lead).

Punch the cast so the nymphs jump back and hit the river on a slack leader before the fly line settles on the surface. This is true for water with a good pace about waist deep and will fish deep enough without snagging too much. If you find you are getting more bottom than fish the don't adjust the leader length, shorten the distance you cast. This also applies as you fish the stream up into the slower pool.

Allow the flies to fish past you for a couple of yards and hold the rod high as they swing round this is when instead of looking for a visual indication of a take you will feel a tap. The high rod will help as a shock absorber and help prevent the fly pulling out as the fish tries to turn on it.

I know that an 8 l/s seems enormous but they do take it, however if you are not confident with a fly this size try to get 3 layers of lead and a 3mm gold bead on a 10.

I hope this is of use.

Best regards,

Ian

[Teifi Terrorist]

ianw said:

I never use braided butts for Nymphing for Grayling as I believe that they hinder the rapid sinking of the flies unless you use a really long point ( tends to negate the use of braid in the first place).

Not really Ian, as the braid isn't allowed to touch the water - thus not hindering the descent at all. As for 'negating' the use of the braid, again, not really as this is the visual aid. The flies are tracked through a run/pool with the rod raised or dropped as the flies progress through the pool, and as the depths dictate. By using any form of floating indicator you are restricting yourself to one depth for the whole section covered, whereas the pool/run may change in depths several times as the flies fish through. Whereas by using some form of colourful and banded braid before attaching your nylon you get a visual aid that can be raised and lowered according to the depths fished over. In addition, as previously mentioned, the braid, which has a larger diameter, isn't touching the water when fished correctly, but certainly does give you the indication needed e.g. lowering, stopping, side swipe etc etc. Again, I am only talking of a small section of braid, perhaps 30cm long, and it is not used for the 'feel' factor. If you watch the majority of the Czechs and Poles, they rarely have the line touching the water, but I doubt anyone would call their technique as being inferior.

Using floating indicators is, in a way, a glorified way of float fishing a team of flies at a set depth. New-Zealand style does have it's uses, but is an addition to bugging, not a replacement.

Czech/Polish nymphing may be hard to describe in writing, and it is a practice that's quite hard to master (I have a grounding, but certainly not a mastering), but I would have to say that it's the most efficient way of fishing the bugs through varying depths.

Each to their own I guess.

TT.

[ianw]

Hi Steff,

As I said its my way of fishing the nymph not true Czech style. I fish short upstream casts. The indicator in no way sets the depth of the flies it's purely an aid for the more myopic fisherman. This is quite different to the to the method you use that relies on the length of line out to keep the flies in the zone.

best regards,

Ian

[Teifi Terrorist]

ianw said:

Hi Steff,

As I said its my way of fishing the nymph not true Czech style. I fish short upstream casts. The indicator in no way sets the depth of the flies it's purely an aid for the more myopic fisherman. This is quite different to the to the method you use that relies on the length of line out to keep the flies in the zone.

best regards,

Ian

Totally agree Ian, hence the reason why I thought I should reply to your statement that using braid hinders the descent or if used with a long point becomes obsolete.

Hope you're on the mend - sorry, never knew that you were ill to be honest.

Steff.

[springwell]

Hi Steff,

For what its worth I use the same method as you but a slightly longer length of braid, well its 20lb dacron, length about 60cm and it doesn't touch the water.

Bill

steffan said:

ianw said:

I never use braided butts for Nymphing for Grayling as I believe that they hinder the rapid sinking of the flies unless you use a really long point ( tends to negate the use of braid in the first place).

Not really Ian, as the braid isn't allowed to touch the water - thus not hindering the descent at all. As for 'negating' the use of the braid, again, not really as this is the visual aid. The flies are tracked through a run/pool with the rod raised or dropped as the flies progress through the pool, and as the depths dictate. By using any form of floating indicator you are restricting yourself to one depth for the whole section covered, whereas the pool/run may change in depths several times as the flies fish through. Whereas by using some form of colourful and banded braid before attaching your nylon you get a visual aid that can be raised and lowered according to the depths fished over. In addition, as previously mentioned, the braid, which has a larger diameter, isn't touching the water when fished correctly, but certainly does give you the indication needed e.g. lowering, stopping, side swipe etc etc. Again, I am only talking of a small section of braid, perhaps 30cm long, and it is not used for the 'feel' factor. If you watch the majority of the Czechs and Poles, they rarely have the line touching the water, but I doubt anyone would call their technique as being inferior.

Using floating indicators is, in a way, a glorified way of float fishing a team of flies at a set depth. New-Zealand style does have it's uses, but is an addition to bugging, not a replacement.

Czech/Polish nymphing may be hard to describe in writing, and it is a practice that's quite hard to master (I have a grounding, but certainly not a mastering), but I would have to say that it's the most efficient way of fishing the bugs through varying depths.

Each to their own I guess.

TT.