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Post by silverinvicta on Jul 27, 2007 11:14:57 GMT -1
Quote[All river users should have to pay the increases, not just the game anglers, so come on sign the petition!!!!! ]Unquote Paul, how many other forums is this petition on...or how is it being advertised as available?  Si.  |
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Post by watchinufish on Jul 27, 2007 13:46:33 GMT -1
Dear Clwydman. No need to be sorry you are entitled to your view as much as I am to mine. I stick by my intitial statement that you can fish for 365 day of the year. While I appreciate this is a sea trout forum I would have thought that many of the readers/contributors would also target other species. The licence gives you the right to fish for salmon, trout, freshwater fish and eels it is your choice you only fish for migratory fish. We pay for the right to fish, once we have paid for that then we can choose to take or release, but there is never any gaurantee we will catch. I am aware from reading other posting of perceived problems in Wales and support the aims you and like minded people have in wanting the best for my river/s I was just giving my opinion that the licence fee would still be value for money at £70 per year.
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Post by paulwhite on Jul 27, 2007 13:54:41 GMT -1
Dear watchinufish (good name!!)
I run a business and I just wish I could increase my prices as much, or often, as these people do! I get your point, but just seems a pity that we fisherman bear the brunt! Wonder what the coarse boys would say if they had to pay as much, but there again it would be political suicide to ask them to do so!
Dear Silverinvicta,
I haven't put it on any other forums as yet (open to ideas) but I have written to the Trout & Salmon Assoc of which I'm a member.....hope everybody else is!!
Thanks for the support!
Paul
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Post by clwydman on Jul 27, 2007 14:08:19 GMT -1
For £70 I get exactly what? Bailliffs to ensure no-one is fishing illegally? never see them because there are not enough of them! Protection of migratory fish numbers? ?? No bailiffs so no protection Improved access and improved habitat? ??No money so no improvement Other users of the waterways paying nothing to enjoy the systems. I do not object paying more for a quality service. The amount is irrelevant it is the principle, a service that has deteriorated year on year despite increasing the cost of the service to the consumer is not right. I am not saying that £70 is value for money or not. What I am saying is that the quality of fishing both in terms of numbers of fish available to be caught and numbers of days we can fish for them has decreased yet the cost has increased. This cannot be right and cannot be supported by anglers or else the sh*t service the EA have been dishing out for the last how many years will continue! |
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Post by Hoppy on Jul 27, 2007 14:43:22 GMT -1
I would gladly pay a lot more money, if i could see results, and if i was assured that Enforcement Officer numbers were not declining, or being used to invesitigate Waste Matters. I pay my licence fee for fishing, not for fly tipping - whilst rubbish does effect me, i pay council tax etc etc - to sort this out. Do councils not have Environmental Health Officers.
As far as im concerned my money goes into Fishing, not subsidary issues, that EO's are being tasked to do.
As for fishing 365 days a year - yes we can, but for migratory fish this is not true. South West Wales is lucky they have a season lasting from 1st April through October. The same may go for North Wales, but the runs of fish are now coming in August on some rivers and carrying on after the season has closed.
As for the Severn the 'blanket' June 16th Rule put pay to the fishery whicj was/is traditionally Feb - May.
Perhaps we should get a rebate because we pay £40 more than coarse anglers, and get a far far shorter season.
Hoppy
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Post by paulwhite on Jul 27, 2007 14:59:47 GMT -1
Hi all, Below is the reply from The Salmon & Trout Association following my email to them today.... Dear Sir The EA licence fee will go up by inflation for 2008, and there is a discounted rate for juniors. However, the EA decided to cut the concessionary rate from a 50% to a 33% discounted rate beginning in 2008. The S&TA will be putting forward our full views on this matter next week. The EA policy papers on this issue are posted on the S&TA website www.salmon-trout.org/issues_policy_papers.asp And can be found in April 2007 and July 2007. Regards Carmel Jorgensen Wonder what notice the EA will take of the "full views" put forward by the T & TA? Regards Paul |
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Post by watermole on Jul 27, 2007 15:45:33 GMT -1
watchinufish-
I'm not sure where you are getting your figures from, because I know of no migratory fish river where you can fish for 365 days a year.
People tend to fish most in or near the area inwhich they live; in my case, the sea-trout season is from March to end of September, and for Salmon, effectively from mid-June to 14th. October, in some rivers, 15th. December. That is NOT 365 days a year. We are not all in a position to go touring around the Country after fish.
As far as £70 being "value for money", it most certainly isn't.
I have yet to see anything done by the EA on my river which could in any way be construed as value for money. Never once have I even seen a bailiff or EA official on the river and any bank works and improvements have been done entirely by volunteers without any funding or assistance from the EA.
I for one, would very much like to see a breakdown on exactly where our licence money goes, but I'm not very optomistic about that happening.
Further unwarranted licence increases are both unjust and unfair.
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Post by clwydman on Jul 27, 2007 20:24:59 GMT -1
Ok, time to put the cat amongst the pigeons as it were. Should we be campaigning for a complete abandonment of the current system and look at a more Scottish model with no licience fee at all? Would it make a huge difference to the current situation??
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Post by sewinbasher on Jul 27, 2007 21:34:18 GMT -1
South West Wales is lucky they have a season lasting from 1st April through October. The same may go for North Wales, but the runs of fish are now coming in August on some rivers and carrying on after the season has closed. As for the Severn the 'blanket' June 16th Rule put pay to the fishery whicj was/is traditionally Feb - May. Perhaps we should get a rebate because we pay £40 more than coarse anglers, and get a far far shorter season. Hoppy The North Wales migratory season is 3rd March to 17th October on the Dee but 20th March to 17th Oct on most other rivers. In practice the sea trout season is from June to mid-September and the salmon season is really just Sept - Oct although obviously there are salmon in some rivers, particularly the Dee from earlier and you are in with a decent chance of a salmon from around mid-June. We therefore have at best a 227 day season to catch a fish, but probably just around 130 days a season with a real chance of a fish - water conditions permitting and only 123 days on which we could keep a salmon. The longest migratory fishing season used to be on the Wye and Usk in the good old days with fishing from 26th Jan to 17th October (plus a further week above Llanrwthal Bridge) with a good chance of a fish on the Wye on any day in that period provided that the water was OK. |
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Post by greyduster on Jul 30, 2007 14:00:38 GMT -1
Just look at the signatures for the removal of the legislation to ban hunting
its the highest value vote at the moment in the environment lobbies
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Post by dangler on Jul 30, 2007 19:05:24 GMT -1
If the migratory licence goes up to £70 next year, that will be an increase of 5.26%. I thought Prudence Brown's inflation target was nearer 3%.
However, my main gripe is with the concessionary licence . If it shifts to 2/3 rather than half the full fee, then it will increase by£13.42 which is 39.1%. This, bear in mind is for a part of the community whose income is usually fixed or at best rises with inflation (so long as its not more than 3%)
In addition because of the nature of salmon and sea trout rivers, I think it is fair to say that most cocessionary licence holders are unlikely to be physically able to fish half the available waters , let alone 2/3.
Still disgruntled.. Mike
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Post by wnion on Aug 15, 2007 20:49:43 GMT -1
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Post by dangler on Aug 15, 2007 21:57:24 GMT -1
I was left wondering whether this guy was for us or against us, given the frequent comparison between nummbers of salmon versus coarse fih stocked.
Ignoring the, in my view, complete waste in stocking the Thames and Trnt/ Ousr systems, what is forgotten is that the coarse fish are stocked at a catchable size whilst salmon are stocked in all cases below viable target size.
Make the same numerical comparison against returning salmon and I think our licence contribution is over generous.
No mention is made of trout stocking and yet the numbers are huge and funded entirely by anglers.
Also lets not forget who authorises the abstractions and discharges which started the ruination of migratory fish rivers in the first place and still hinders their recovery.
And whilst I'm on a roll, I still don't think a 39% increase in the concessionary licence is fair.
Mike
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Post by wnion on Aug 22, 2007 8:57:43 GMT -1
NFA launches petition on concessionary rod licence raises by the EAWednesday 22nd August 2007 The NFA are calling all anglers to object to the Environment Agencies proposal to increase concessionary rod licences by thirty six percent. There are a number of issues which the NFA are concerned about regarding the proposals and we will be raising our concerns with the agency. Our key concerns are the lack of time that has been allowed to respond to the EA proposal, the deadline being 1st September 2007 and the limited exposure that the proposal has received. A high proportion of rod licence buyers hold concessionary licences and they should be given adequate notice and sufficient time to respond. We must also add that concessionary rod licence buyers often only use their rod licence for a small proportion of the year due to bad weather and poor access. Paul Cartwright NFA Regional Officer for the Disabled in the North East and disabled angler stated. “Anglers with disabilities and older adults tend to get less value from their rod licence. Access to rivers is poor or non existent and concessionary licence holders tend not to go fishing in the winter when the weather is bad. A fifty percent concession on a full licence is about right and I cannot see how an increase is justified” To register your objection we would ask all anglers to support concessionary licence holders, and sign our petition by emailing petitions@nfadirect.com, and providing your name and address. We will then collate all of our respondents to the petition and forward to the Environment Agency and Defra with a statement of our objection. Or you can register your dissatisfaction directly by writing to Defra at Gloria Akinyemi (Rod Duties), Defra, Marine and Freshwater Biodiversity Division, Area 2e, 3-8 Whitehall Place, London, SW1A 2HH. Please also copy your written correspondence to; The Fisheries Policy & Process Advisor (Rod Duties), Environment Agency, Rio House, Waterside Drive, Aztec West, Almondsbury, Bristol, BS32 4UD. Paul Baggaley, Chief Executive of the NFA commented, “I cannot see how this fits in with EA’s stated objective of increasing participation and diversity. It seems to be directly at odds with 2015.” Stuart Taylor added: “The feedback will be invaluable for helping us decide our funding priorities for the long-term future.” Further information and copies of the Navigation Funding Strategy Customer Research Project can be found at www.environment-agency.gov.uk/navigation An online discussion forum has also been set up for people to air and share views about inland waterway issues which can be found on the same section of the Environment Agency’s website. To access both the survey and the forum requires a username and password. Boaters who hold Environment Agency registrations have already been sent their details but the survey is open to all and if you want to take part just e-mail Ipsos MORI at navigation@ipsos-mori.com who will provide a username and password. Hard copies of the survey can be obtained by calling 020 7347 3000.
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