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Post by peterross on Oct 20, 2005 15:39:14 GMT -1
Ok, anyone want to share their views on the pros and cons of both styles of fishing when it comes to fishing small rivers such as the teifi?
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Post by tuniwes on Oct 20, 2005 17:28:39 GMT -1
I have only fished the Teifi twice, most recently last weekend at Newcastle Emlyn and below. I used an 11'3" Diawa amorphous whisker single hander (quite slow by todays standards) with a Cortland 7wt DT clear intermediate. It suits me and is more than capabable of handling grilse and sewin in the 5 to 10lb class even in heavy water. After two days hard fishing though my arm was aching to say the least so there may be a place for a double hander for prolonged sessions in heavy water.
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Post by Paul Dunstan on Oct 20, 2005 21:40:36 GMT -1
I have never felt disadvantaged by fishing the lower Teifi with a single handed rod. It's a river with an ever changing profile, some gorge, some heavily treed and some open water - not a great many stretches of bank where the benefits a long double hander would outweigh the convenience of a single handed rod.
Additionally, there are not that many opportunities to fish a large heavy fly on a sunk line where a double hander might be more appropriate.
Having said that, the ability to apply additional control to the path of a fly that is afforded by a double hander is undeniable - this I know from the vast experience of trying Graypd's Sage double hander last weekend! I'm going to get myself a double hander and learn to cast with the d**n thing if it's the last thing I do!
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Post by Aled on Oct 21, 2005 6:55:25 GMT -1
Worth noting that on the last Saturday of the season there were two guys fishing at Llandysul (PAAS beat) who were covering the water beutifully with double handers, while i struggled with my 10ft 6ins cursing the fact that my 14footer was in garage at home. However a high river with tree lined banks made a difference. Cheers Aled
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Post by Simon on Oct 21, 2005 7:24:32 GMT -1
Interesting comments.
I certainly will purchase a double hander for next year. I found after few days constant fishing at the end of the season that my arms and shoulders were aching after using my 10ft. Any advice on size - 13,14 or 15ft. Also can't really afford an epxensive rod - Diawa Exceler is one rod around the £200 mark which receives favourable comments.
Welcome any advice?
Cheers Simon
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Post by PB unplugged on Oct 21, 2005 7:32:20 GMT -1
Worth noting that on the last Saturday of the season there were two guys fishing at Llandysul (PAAS beat) who were covering the water beutifully with double handers, while i struggled with my 10ft 6ins cursing the fact that my 14footer was in garage at home. However a high river with tree lined banks made a difference. Cheers Aled Similar to what I said in the other, similar, rod thread. It was Cliff of the old Emlyn Boot Stores (on the corner near the Mart in NCE) who turned me on to the double-hander and using fly for salmon on the river, when I was a youngster in the mid 1960s. Cliff fished a lovely 13ft Hardy cane rod in those days, I remember - a veritable River God, he seemed to me, back then. I followed his example a few years later, and have been glad that I did ever since.
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Post by Hoppy on Oct 21, 2005 7:55:18 GMT -1
If anyone wants a double hander (no pun intended) speak to MADCASTER he has a brand spanking SAGE euopean 15ft rod that he just cant get on with....he's trying to sell it.
Hoppy
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John unplugged again
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Post by John unplugged again on Oct 21, 2005 10:40:09 GMT -1
Pros:
Water coverage, ability to hang fly in runs/glides, better casting in windy conditions with spey casts, ability to fish wooded runs/pools, enjoyment from spey casting, can be used as a pinch as a dapping rod, easier to cast largish flies correctly
Cons:
Awkward, spey casting can cause severe disturbance to water and scare fish, need to have a whole new set of reels/lines, having one means you have to take it on a trip so you then have several rods, more clutter etc
On Balance - only needed in largish rivers or medium rivers with high flows and especially useful in wooded areas
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Post by John addendum on Oct 21, 2005 10:42:55 GMT -1
PS
Nearly forgot !
Pros:
Ability to handle a fish of a lifetime !
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Post by steveR on Oct 21, 2005 14:17:49 GMT -1
Like most things in fishing there is never a definitive answer. I use both single hander: 10"6 hardy sea trout & grilse and a 15" sage depending on conditions. A single hander is a delight to use on a low summer river when you can wade with ease & cover the lies effectively, but given a river the first day after a spate, give me a 13"-15" double hander this will enable you to cover the water effectively, spey cast effortlessly & most importantly grass a big fish quicker. As to the make & length of rod try before you buy, you will have to match your casting style to the action of the rod, most sage rods are fast tip actions & take a bit of getting used to.
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Post by PB unplugged on Oct 21, 2005 14:58:13 GMT -1
Well, someone has had the courage to mention a LONG rod. I didn't dare mention the 15ft 10-wt Sage that I'll unashamedly use on occasion!
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Post by peterross on Oct 21, 2005 16:40:18 GMT -1
Is this then a very british thing? the americans favouring short beefy rods for their salmon/steelhead fishing and fishing much bigger rivers? Maybe their salmon are of a less discerning breed..
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Post by PB unplugged on Oct 21, 2005 17:42:49 GMT -1
Yet huge numbers of North American fishers are falling over themselves to "go Spey" at present. It's not merely a must-do fad - they've recognized (in Russia initially, then on their own steelhead rivers) that a longer rod presents a fly far more effortlessly and, in MOST circumstances, fishes it very well.
And yet ... "When I was in Argentina", in the last year or two, when suddenly there were visiting well-to-do Brits flailing away for monstrous sea-trout with their two-handers from home, I still seldom used such a rod, far preferring a single-hander - an altogether better weapon for present flies subtly and in all sorts of ways...
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Post by PB unplugged on Oct 21, 2005 17:45:04 GMT -1
"an altogether better weapon for present flies subtly and in all sorts of ways... "
an altogether better weapon for PRESENTING flies subtly and in all sorts of ways...
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Andrew Wren
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Winter Chalk stream Grayling
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Post by Andrew Wren on Oct 21, 2005 19:37:45 GMT -1
There are all Kinds of DH rods ,Derwent last week fished with a #11 15 footer and then a #8/9 13 foot thing . the thing was a joy presenting wee flies exquisetly(sp )better than I could do with a SH rod ,SHs i only see for fishing wake flys and stripping fast long lines .Gotta go takeaways arrived !!
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Post by PB unplugged on Oct 21, 2005 20:01:34 GMT -1
There are all Kinds of DH rods ,Derwent last week fished with a #11 15 footer and then a #8/9 13 foot thing . the thing was a joy presenting wee flies exquisetly(sp )better than I could do with a SH rod ,SHs i only see for fishing wake flys and stripping fast long lines .Gotta go takeaways arrived !! I mostly agree, Andy - when it comes to fishing for SALMON (except in small streams, in low water etc). BUT for sea-trout (even the double-figure foreign monsters I mentioned above, which, once they have ceased to be grab-it-and-hold-on super-fresh dunces, become just as finnicky as our own sea-trout), which take a fly VERY differently from salmon, give me a single-hander for sea-trout, every time. Takeaway? I've got someone's supper to cook!
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Andrew Wren
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Winter Chalk stream Grayling
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Post by Andrew Wren on Oct 21, 2005 20:21:02 GMT -1
I've got someone's supper to cook! Quote Is that the yummy mummy ,or is the old addled brain mixing stramge ethanols ( SWMBO sneaked in a bottle of >10% wine on to the supper table tonight ). Probablt right about the SH for presentation and delicacy ,its the first time Ive had the wee DH out in earnest and it was a joy ,but not as nice as a ~#6 DT rod .Yeah I know the Yanks make 5/6 "spey rods".
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Post by Ditchrat on Oct 22, 2005 21:40:15 GMT -1
Finally a topic I can add to.
Yes us yanks make 5/6 spey rods. The problem is that most "spey rods" are not really spey rods. The are two handed overhead rods. Only a few amercan companies even offer different action in two handed rods. But that being said the spey rods used in the states in the great lakes region would be an excellent choice for seatrout fishing. Custom rod builders have been making wonder rods that are 5-7 wt 10.5-13ft and can lay 80ft of line out and barely make a ripple on the surface and thats with a DT, using a typical single hand rod line you can easily put out a full line with the same results as a single hand rod without the extra work. I wish I could put a few of my rods in your hands so you could take a cast or two.
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Post by madcaster on Oct 23, 2005 15:09:23 GMT -1
There are all Kinds of DH rods ,Derwent last week fished with a #11 15 footer and then a #8/9 13 foot thing . the thing was a joy presenting wee flies exquisetly(sp )better than I could do with a SH rod ,SHs i only see for fishing wake flys and stripping fast long lines .Gotta go takeaways arrived !! horses for courses ...now lets cut the chase!!!! whats it andrew pizza or chinky ;D
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