JCT
Parr
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Post by JCT on Feb 15, 2005 8:29:39 GMT -1
Hi
I realise this is about as basic a question as is possible but having never fished with tube flies before I need to ask!
I am presuming that you just thread your mono leader through the tube fly and attach to a treble? Nothing more complicated than that?
If so, what brand of trebles do people prefer? Is there a scale for matching hook size to tube fly length (length = tube not tail length). And where do people buy them?
Particularly with reference to early season fishing (April/May), is there a preference between waddingtons or tube flies?
As for colour - based on previous replies, I'm expecting silver and black will be the main preference!
Sorry for all the questions but I can't think of a better group of people to ask!
Thanks in advance
James
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Post by Simon, SJF or Otter Startler on Feb 15, 2005 9:55:40 GMT -1
Waddies, tend to be faster sinking than tubes ( unless you are tying on big copper tubes which are generally used for Spring ( Winter? ) Salmon fishing. Tubes for sewin are usually either plastic of plastic lines Aluminium. And thus quite light. They do tie up as a slightly bulkier fly than a Waddy but the ease of hook interchangeability and the fact that by nature they fish in line with your line pushes me towards them ( and needle flies ).
I, and many others push ¼ of an inch or so of silicone rubber tube ( from carp anglers shops ) over the end of the tubes, this way the treble snugs up in to it and it hold in place better. You can use the colour of this to “add” a bit to the fly, yellows or reds, or camo’ it in black grey or brown.
Treble size, I just do by eye, nothing too big or heavy, nothing so small the tube practically masks it. If it looks right it is right. Use decent quality trebles, not too thick in the wire, nor too long in the shank. I like needle eyed ones, a big eye tends to have the treble sitting at an angle to the hook. Slim eyes allow it to snug up in the rubber and lie straight.
Oh, yes – I think Black and silver will do nicely.
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Post by Aled on Feb 15, 2005 11:59:15 GMT -1
Hi Guys Simon i think what you said is smack on but i do have one more use for plastic tubes. I use a plastic tube in conjunction with a Wet Cell 2 line in early hours of the morning. I think (i don't genuinely know for sure) that it flutters in an erratic way and can be more attractie to fish. What i do know is that i've caught some nice fish using this combination. Cheers Aled
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Post by John on Feb 15, 2005 17:45:34 GMT -1
To add to the good advice above:
Avoid cheap trebles - these can bend very easily and I have lost a lot of good fish over the years simply because I was using poor trebles. I think you will maybe get more offers using small trebles but these can be poor hookers and bend, also I have a feeling that they cause more foul hooking. My preference is for the Partridge black outpoint tube trebles in a variety of sizes matched to your tube. In heavyish water its OK to put on a slightly larger treble and in slackish water, where you are moving the fly and maybe low water hook would be better, in my opinion.
Whatever system you use to keep the hook in line with the tube (see earlier posts) - remember to check that all is well occasionally as it is all too easy to get the tube tangled in various ways that will either result in poor attraction and/or poor hooking.
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Post by Aled on Feb 16, 2005 10:22:48 GMT -1
I use Pike Trebles, i figure anything thats made to handle pike up to 20lb should cope with any sewin i'm likely to hook. Cheers Aled
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JCT
Parr
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Post by JCT on Feb 16, 2005 15:09:37 GMT -1
Thanks guys - that's really useful.
If I'm buying online its difficult to judge which size of treble I should match with say a 1 inch tube. Any more specific pointers on size?
Thanks again
James
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Post by John on Feb 21, 2005 11:08:37 GMT -1
By chance I saw and bought some Partridge Outpoint Trebles on saturday. The ones that would suit my tubes (3 to 4cm long) were size 8 and 10. They are not cheap!
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Post by Hoppy on Feb 21, 2005 18:05:07 GMT -1
I can get Partridge hooks very cheap, but the min order is £25.00 plus £1 p&p
Anyone interested let me know
Hoppy
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Andrew Wren
Sewin Nut
Winter Chalk stream Grayling
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Post by Andrew Wren on Mar 20, 2005 16:49:49 GMT -1
Do think about using doubles on your tubes and waddys ,I have been very happy using the Partridge Big Mouth Doubles the last couple of seasons ,and easier for C+R
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on Apr 8, 2005 8:41:10 GMT -1
Generally I would say carry a collection of trebles (or the newish tube doubles as Andrew suggested, with you on that one) in sizes from 12's - 8's these should cover most eventualities, sometimes 14's and 6's are called for but not often. As for size:tube, I would say look at the hook when mounted; is there sufficient bend exposed to hook a fish? does it look too big/clumsy? to be honest it's a hard one to gauge without seeing the fly:hook as brands and shapes varry and quoting you a size to tube may not be that helpful. Check Hoppy's fly pages, they look spot on. As an end note I would generally prefer you go one to big than one too small.
As for brands; recently rapala replaced the hooks on their lures. They are the new VMC hooks, their trebles are great. Very strong, short in the shank and have a great finish + points. They will be selling them in small packs as replacement trebles for your current rapalas (another tip for your battered rapalas!). Other than that the kamasan trebles are ok. If you're in the Carmarthenshire area there's a guy called Norman Blake who appears in Gelli Aur game fair, he has some great trebles for tube and waddys, but don't know what make they are.
Colours; think about what the sea-trout are seeing and can see! largely this is a silouette, as such black is a great colour. I also like some red or blue.
A tip; I leave the body of the tube bare, why cover an already silver aluminium body with silver?
All the best.
Steffan.
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