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Post by Hoppy on Oct 13, 2007 19:43:31 GMT -1
COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by peterross on Oct 13, 2007 20:11:50 GMT -1
for anybody wanting some exiting news this evening, it looks like a new record salmon has been caught on the Ness this afternoon...........why France,why?? not another four years of gloating english bast**rds!
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Post by Hoppy on Oct 14, 2007 18:06:43 GMT -1
Oh dear peteross - touched a raw nerve there have we ;D ;D Hoppy
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Post by biscuit on Oct 14, 2007 21:06:06 GMT -1
sales of french condoms have collapsed, they found out it only takes 1 jonny to xxxx 15 frogs. ;D ;D
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Post by Simon on Oct 15, 2007 7:27:47 GMT -1
Rugby is the loser at the end of the day!! Glad I wasn't paying high prices to see people kick a ball back and fore. Sadly, I think the Boks will be snuffed out of the game next Saturday and come 6 nations we've got the feckers in Twickenham.
S
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Post by dai on Oct 15, 2007 7:37:32 GMT -1
Never mind, SOUTH AFRICA with sort them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Dai
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Post by Hoppy on Oct 15, 2007 11:34:07 GMT -1
Rugby is the loser at the end of the day!! Glad I wasn't paying high prices to see people kick a ball back and fore. Sadly, I think the Boks will be snuffed out of the game next Saturday and come 6 nations we've got the feckers in Twickenham. S Never mind, SOUTH AFRICA with sort them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Dai Its all in the game, lots of kicking............................... Gloat, gloat, gloat Hoppy
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Post by dai on Oct 20, 2007 20:24:49 GMT -1
Told you that south Africa would sort them, ;D ;D ;D ;D Dai
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Post by Paul Dunstan on Oct 21, 2007 7:43:46 GMT -1
Glad you enjoyed the game Dai. No doubt you enjoyed it from the comfort of home - much like the Welsh team? ;D
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Post by jj1 on Oct 21, 2007 7:55:54 GMT -1
you can stick your chariots up your a**e you can stick your chariots up your a**e you can stick your chariots stick your chariots you can stick your chariots up your a**e boom boom. ;D
lol, jj
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Post by T7 on Oct 21, 2007 8:10:22 GMT -1
It's disappointing to hear comments like "gloating english bast**rds!" from the welsh (and Irish??). Whilst I'm all for banter I hate the small mindedness that always seems to come from SOME in the celtic nations and I wonder what outcry there would be if this abuse was directed at the welsh from an englishman. Whilst you are free to support whoever you want after your team has exited the tournament at the pool stage I think a bit of home nation pride might have come into it - I would be supporting Wales, Scotland or Ireland against anyone other than England, particularly in a final. Sadly this 'small nation' mindset of hating the 'bigger' neighbour has not done anything for the way those nations play rugby as they never looked like beating any of the big teams. Clearly a team with the thought that they are the plucky underdogs won't do well. Incidently anyone who says "I support whoever plays the best rugby" should look at the final yesterday, England were the more expansive and threatening team and they have shown how far you can get with a perhaps not the best talent and flair but a desire to win and team spirit. As for "gloating" if wales won the world cup we'd never hear the end of it!! remember the grand slam a few years ago? I still get grief off welsh mates for that! We are allowed to celebrate!!!!!! Right rant over.
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Post by sewinbasher on Oct 21, 2007 9:39:39 GMT -1
It's the arrogance of the English that makes them so disliked by the celtic nations. A good example is that after a game in Cardiff (or anywhere else except Twickers), the opposing fans get into the bars, mingle with the Welsh and have a great time. The majority of the English just head off straight back down the M4.
If they'd have won we would have never heard the end of it but that's not the problem from my point of view. I don't think that boring rugby should be rewarded. England scored just 12 tries in the tournament despite playing as many games as any one else and virtually none from open back play. The Boks scored more than twice as many points as England during the RWC and many of these were tries run in by the backs from open play.
The match yesterday was more like tennis than rugby, over 70 kicks were exchanged and although a good contest it was by no means a great match and there have been many many better games from the entertainment point of view for the non-partisan viewer. There was just one major breaking of the line from each side, admittedly the best of them from Tait but great rugby it was not.
England's only real weapon, their much over hyped pack, was demolished in the line out and equalled in the scrummage by the Boks and took away any chance of a win for England as fortunately for rugby the sainted Johnny has only been kicking just over 60% and thus England had no way to win the game.
Hopefully we have been saved from another four years of 10 man rugby being promoted as the best way to play the game.
True Wales and Ireland went home early, Scotland and France did a little better but on this occasion not well enough. Good rugby can be winning rugby. Our Grand Slam was won with a shed load of tries scored by the backs from open play and it would be a sad day if every team played liked England.
Cast your mind back over the RWC and just think which games remain in the memory as good entertainment - not many involving England I reckon.
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Post by jj1 on Oct 21, 2007 9:46:37 GMT -1
t7, its all good clean fun m8. its allways been the same in rugby, whoever gets or wins the major trophies i.e. six nations etc has the bragging and boasting rights for the next 12 months. you have to take the stick to give the stick or dont become a part of it! all the celtic nations have far smaller rugby playing player pools to chose from, so when we win something (which isnt that often) we really do celebrate and as far as wales is concerned its our national sport and the pride and togetherness that was felt throughout our small nation was undelievable, most of the country celebrated for well over a month! you have to remember that for ireland, wales and scotland, the one game we want to win each year is the england match, so many of your grand slams have been lost to one of the celtic nations because your press and players have been so cocky in the run up to those matches that youve wound your opponents up into a frenzy, it maybe time that you lot over the bridge learnt a little more graciousness. yes we dont like defeat but we can take the stick afterwards, so no sour grapes and we can all look forward to the next six nations. jj ;D
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Post by sewinbasher on Oct 21, 2007 10:26:16 GMT -1
....you have to remember that for ireland, wales and scotland, the one game we want to win each year is the england match, so many of your grand slams have been lost to one of the celtic nations because your press and players have been so cocky in the run up to those matches that youve wound your opponents up into a frenzy....jj ;D This is so true and a good example of this is the now infamous game at Wembley. England came needing to beat Wales to win the Championship. About 10 minutes into the first half they had a chance at a fairly easy penalty but instead kicked the ball to the corner for a lineout thinking that they were going to win easily and didn't need the three points. This was unbelievable arrogance and the arrogance continued as, towards the end of the game, Clive Woodward was asking where they had to go to collect the trophy. They paid the price a few minute later when Scott Gibbs scored that incredible last minute try which Jinks converted to win the match. (I was behind the posts as the ball came over and I've never heard so much noise at an international match). It was great to be sat in a Welsh jersey in a train full of dejected English supporters on the way home.
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Post by T7 on Oct 21, 2007 14:46:14 GMT -1
"The majority of the English just head off straight back down the M4" Not in my experience, although probably true of the prawn sandwich brigade. "I don't think that boring rugby should be rewarded" Who scored the only tries in the England V France and England V SA games? (I'm counting the Cueto one!) True we are very one dimensional at the minute but people seem to think that England are capable of playing fantastic expansive rugby but are choosing not to. The simple fact is England, for whatever reason, don't have the most exciting backs, so like all good teams they play to their strengths - direct forward play, solid defence and territory. Teams like Italy and Argentina have been doing it for donkeys years, yet no-one moans about them. Probably our best 2 creative players from the 6 nations were missing from the tournament (Strettle and Ellis), I think they would have given us an extra dimension. "About 10 minutes into the first half they had a chance at a fairly easy penalty but instead kicked the ball to the corner for a lineout thinking that they were going to win easily and didn't need the three points. This was unbelievable arrogance" Hang on, a minute ago we were boring for just kicking penalties, now we're arrogant for going for a try - make your bloody mind up!!! "it would be a sad day if every team played liked England" With passion and heart and playing to the best of their ability in a way that was most likely for them to win?? Isn't that what the 'plucky underdog' celts thrive on? "its maybe time that you lot over the bridge learnt a little more graciousness" followed by: "It was great to be sat in a Welsh jersey in a train full of dejected English supporters on the way home." Come on boys you love rubbing our noses in it as much as we do. keep the banter up by all means but stop the hypocrisy and hate for the sake of it.
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Post by jj1 on Oct 21, 2007 16:09:40 GMT -1
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by fario2 on Oct 21, 2007 17:26:10 GMT -1
To lower the tone still further , did year hear about the Knorr stock cube people who invented a new red stock cube in honour of Wales participation in the Rugby World cup - the called it LAUGHING STOCK1111111111111111
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A little boy was before the court having been battered by his family. They asked him if he had any other relatives who he might like to stay take care of him "No he said, they all beat me." When asked if there was anyone he would like to take care of him he replied "The Welsh Rugby team, they never beat anybody."
Cmon where's your sense of humour - learn to laugh at yourself - everybody else does.
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Post by DAZ on Oct 21, 2007 18:34:37 GMT -1
I would like to have seen England win. .As I would have done the same if it were Wales,Ireland,or Scotland in the final. I don't particularly like watching England play the game,but it got them to the final.Like T7 has stated,they played to their strengths,and it worked...So well done the English I say!. It's the arrogance of the English that makes them so disliked by the celtic nations. . I don't think thats quite fair SB....You can't tar them all with the same brush......I know lots of arrogant Welsh b#stards!. DAZ.....A unbiased Welsh man!.
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Post by Hoppy on Oct 21, 2007 18:52:11 GMT -1
I think its fair that South Africa won, they were the best team at the end of the day.
England did play to their strengths, but in the end they just weren't good enough. They did manage to take Habana out of the game though.
As Daz said, if Wales, Scotland or Ireland got to the final i would have given them my support, Aled will testify to that.
The English are always gracious in defeat!
Hoppy
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Post by sewinbasher on Oct 21, 2007 18:56:04 GMT -1
This point was not made to illustrate a boring kicking game but to illustrate English cockiness or arrogance. There is a subtle difference between playing a style of rugby designed to create and exploit penalties and taking them when awarded.
The reason that English rugby is so boring is that, as you quite rightly point out, they currently lack class backs (or more accurately choose not to select them) and their strategy is based aound winning penalties for JW to kick or trying to force errors by the opposition from long kicks down the field.
The arrogance comes when in a situation when you need to win game to win the Championship so are so dismissive of the opposition that you decline your first point scoring opportunity as you believe that you don't need it to win. As it turned out they did and they lost.
Sadly for England, with their one dimensional game plan, when they come up against a pack like SA their main weapon is blunted and they've every little else to offer so they lost. Cueto did not score a try as analysis of the replay on the news today showed that the TMO made the right decision.
It would have truly been a travesty if a side scoring just 12 tries in seven games (only one in the last three) was to win the World Cup and let's not forget they were playing dire rugby up to the Australian game. By comparison South Africa scored 33 tries playing the same pool opposition.
I fully accept that they must play to their strengths and sadly for England that means a 10 man game but it doesn't stop it being boring.
With such a lot of the old guard inevitably leaving the English squad now, wouldn't it be great if they picked a few of the young kids like Tait, Cipriani, Allen and Abendanon who all clearly have class, and tried the expansive game - you never know you just might like it. It would not do Wales' chances in the 6N any good but it would actually be better to watch.
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