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Post by richardjmiller on May 29, 2007 7:54:02 GMT -1
I'm thinking of getting a weight forward 8 of the Airflo 40+. The only thing that concerns me is the bulk of the belly - would this not increase the risk of spooking fish if a clumsy cast was made (I'm not the world's best caster). Grateful for any tips/views. Thanks.
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 29, 2007 9:16:48 GMT -1
Hi Richard, basically if you do a clumsy cast with a standard wf8 and 40+ wf8 the result is likely to be the same. If you are looking for a less bulky belly then perhaps try the expert version rather then the extreme version, which has a slightly thinner but longer belly. Personally, I would opt for the extreme version for river use, as the thicker and heavier belly over a shorter distance is more suitable to river fishing, enabling quick loading of the rod and good turnover of bulky flies etc. Also, it's great for roll-casting. With a standard line you usually find that the main fault or splashing at night is done whilst the line is being extended to get the desired distance. Whereas this doesn't really happen with the 40+ as it loads so much quicker over these distance, thus doing away with multiple false casts - which should euqate to less spooked fish. Just a theory  Hope that helps. TT. |
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Post by buzzerman on May 29, 2007 10:07:36 GMT -1
a correct theory all the same as you know steff i use the shoot slick stream for the same reason |
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Post by JT on May 29, 2007 13:22:45 GMT -1
Yup - Airflo "sidestepped" the old AFTM section and so your WF8 is actually a SH9/SH10...
Great for punching a line out over the salt or yanking back a lure on a reservoir but splashy presentation on rivers and seriously overgunning it.
The running line is a real pain as well - tangles like a b*stard and so ill-advised for night fishing.
Jon
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 29, 2007 13:23:38 GMT -1
Not going to get drawn into another argument regarding this with you Billy. But the profile of the 2 lines are totally different. for example; 40+ extreme head length is 35ft, compared to 46.5ft on the Sshoot. I'm sure that you can work out the obvious from that alone. Again, not going to get drawn into that debate as it's not what was asked by Richard.
TT.
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 29, 2007 13:36:52 GMT -1
Yup - Airflo "sidestepped" the old AFTM section and so your WF8 is actually a SH9/SH10... Great for punching a line out over the salt or yanking back a lure on a reservoir but splashy presentation on rivers and seriously overgunning it. The running line is a real pain as well - tangles like a b*stard and so ill-advised for night fishing. Jon  Not sure where you got that one from, JT? it hasn't been sidestepped at all, the weight has just been concentrated over a shorter distance i.e. 35ft instead of the average head lengths of e.g. 45ft. Thus producing a thicker head, and heavier over shorter distances. Splashy presentation? Not being rude, but I would put that down to your casting JT, not the line.  Running line; never had a problem myself, but then again I'm not really throwing over 20 metres at night. TT. |
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Post by silverinvicta on May 29, 2007 13:58:27 GMT -1
Yup - Airflo "sidestepped" the old AFTM section and so your WF8 is actually a SH9/SH10... Great for punching a line out over the salt or yanking back a lure on a reservoir but splashy presentation on rivers and seriously overgunning it. The running line is a real pain as well - tangles like a b*stard and so ill-advised for night fishing. Jon Sorry JT got to ask where on earth do you come from with that,? I cant cast a 40 + I admit it, but I know plenty who can and do, and use it at night and have no trouble,even with the presentation.... perhaps we should both go for casting lessons ;D ;D but I never had any prob with it tangling, so I may need one less than you ;D ;D Silverinvicta |
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Post by sewinbasher on May 29, 2007 14:59:28 GMT -1
Got to chip in here - I was given a 40+ to take to the World Championships and I ditched it after one session. It was indeed a long caster but the line had absolutely no delicacy of presentation. It seemed to be very thick for its AFTM rating and came down like a ton of bricks.
I am not a bad caster and I can assure you that this line came down appreciably more clumsily than other lines in the same class.
I gave it to a team mate and went back to my tried and tested Lee Wulff TT, possibly sacrificing a few yards of distance but got much better presentation.
For sea trout fishing where long casting rarely comes into play I would see little point in buying the 40+ as distance casting seems to be its only merit. I'd go for a Lee Wulff or for a few quid less a Snowbee XS - both very good lines.
I was also given a Chalkstream which was also rubbish, mainly because of the over large welded loop which destroyed the presentation unless one wanted to use it with a polyleader.
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Post by silverinvicta on May 29, 2007 15:34:21 GMT -1
Sewinbasher,
I admit i cant cast a 40 plus to save my life... lands in a heap as you said ...I gave two away, both the lads I gave them to love em...one is an awsome sewin fisher, the other is a mate over here. I have seen plenty in use and like me some cant use em but lots of others do, and use em well. I never had a problem with distance or the running line tangling, I have seen TT use one with great effect. all I can put it down to is technique . wrong technique, what else. I admit I prefer the ridge, a far easier, for me, line to cast.
Si
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 29, 2007 15:47:43 GMT -1
I was also given a Chalkstream which was also rubbish, mainly because of the over large welded loop which destroyed the presentation unless one wanted to use it with a polyleader. Pair of scissors, cut the welded loop off, put your own method on instead. Simple. you would lose 2 inches of line at most. Or was it just a general airflo bashing session, Sewinbasher? TT. |
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Post by DAZ on May 29, 2007 16:00:29 GMT -1
I'm with Steff on this one  . A superb line IMHO!...I have the full range from the floater right through to the fastest Di lines...With the odd exception...They are the only lines I use now for night time fishing...Makes things sooooo! much easier at night,especially when fishing big tubes,jambos etc!...just pick it up...and let it go...If I were fishing "BIG" rivers and had a bit more room on the backcast...I would definitely go for the Expert!. As to presention....Personaly I don't think they are that bad...Seatrout are not that spooky when the lights are gone,so presentation is not a real issue anyway. Running line...Never had many problems with it tangling myself. DAZ |
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Post by buzzerman on May 29, 2007 17:59:11 GMT -1
wow calm down steff not trying to go there myself |
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Post by richardjmiller on May 29, 2007 18:15:59 GMT -1
Guys - thanks for the views. Like most things - I guess it works for some and not others. Guess the only way to find out is to buy one and try it out. I currently use a Fulling Mill floater which casts well and has excellent memory (none) but not sure it would turn over a big lure.
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 29, 2007 19:39:00 GMT -1
Richard; if you can try one before you buy even better, as with most things in life. A friend of mine asked me to source one for him last week, and this is about the cheapest I found: www.tacklebargains.co.uk/acatalog/IntermediateLine_Rating__8.html(I'd go for the clear intermediate version) £15 can't be bad. However, I would assume that it's the older version that hasn't got the ridge running line. Let us know how you get on. TT. |
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Post by silverinvicta on May 29, 2007 20:26:17 GMT -1
Not sure if it's still on but Tightlines had a summer sale on where you could send an old fly line in, any old flyline. I dont think it had to be an airflo, and upgrade to a new ridge fortyplus flyline for £19.99.. or two old lines and get two new ridge forty plus for £29.99. a phone call would tell. SUPPOSED TO BE PHONE ORDERS ONLY:- 08700 8000 123
Good deal
Si
ps ITS ON TILL 31.08.07
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Post by JT on May 30, 2007 11:25:40 GMT -1
Steffan/Captain Whizzkid, "Not being rude", "Not being rude"?! You can sod off with yer casting sturgeons about my casting ability! When these lines first came out there was an almighty debate on the fff - pages and pages of it - the summary of which was as I wrote. Perhaps I got a duff line - it was great SWFFing with a line tray but was a pain on the reservoir without one. These are the originals I'm talking about - can't comment on versions in recent years. I wouldn't be totally averse to using one but would down grade the weighting for rivers rather than use a WF8...I just don't think "stealthy" when using one. Horses for courses - Sewinbasher agrees with me about presentation and perhaps there's a buck in it for you with three of us needing lessons... perhaps it's just that your tidy casting overcomes the issues I discovered... Mine died - but I might resurrect it again for SWFFing... have they changed so significantly since they first came out? Jon |
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Post by Teifi Terrorist on May 30, 2007 11:41:27 GMT -1
When these lines first came out there was an almighty debate on the fff - pages and pages of it - the summary of which was as I wrote. have they changed so significantly since they first came out? Hey JT ;D To be honest you'll find that 'they' love to slag off anything airflo on the flyforum, and they're entitled to their opinion - shame they don't understand and know who airflo make lines for though before saying who's great and who's crap As for; changed significantly? to be honest I'm not sure mate, as I can't say that I tried their early versions - I'm not even sure which ones I've got now, I don't think that it's the ridge running line version though. Definitely not saying that it will suit everyone, but for night-fishing I think they're superb. TT. |
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Post by Hoppy on May 30, 2007 12:00:30 GMT -1
I have tried Steff's40+ line out, and it is a great line, a beast
Give it a go
Hoppy
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Post by silverinvicta on May 30, 2007 22:53:38 GMT -1
The lines I gave away were early models, aint tried the latest ones. I hope to do so within the next few weeks  ...I have been told they're even better....I used to be a dedicated hater of all things Airflo but I must say I think in the lines field.. they're starting to get there act together..... Silverinvicta........ |
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Post by moonshadow on May 31, 2007 10:40:01 GMT -1
Hi Folks
I can only call it as I see it. I loved my airflow forty plus. Easy to cast those short little casts and even easier if you wanted to give it some of distance.
I am no airflow basher I have four of these lines in different densities. But last night a small knot formed in the running line of my WF8F which is prone to tangling if you are not careful. I pulled at this knot/loop and the line snapped.I cannot say if there was a flaw in the line or wether there was a nick in it but for the strength used on the line it should never have snapped. I have never had a fly line snap on me before. I accept that knots weaken the line strength but even so I was not expecting the line to part. I accept that this is my fault I have only posted this as it is my actual experience.
Moonshadow
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