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Post by durk on Apr 9, 2007 8:11:55 GMT -1
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Post by buzzerman on Apr 9, 2007 17:33:00 GMT -1
dont know about rods made by carrots but there was a certain lord who used to use carrot slices for salmon on the welsh dee alot of years ago , sliced em up put a hook in em and let them drift round ;D
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Post by shocker on Apr 9, 2007 18:20:56 GMT -1
dont know about rods made by carrots but there was a certain lord who used to use carrot slices for salmon on the welsh dee alot of years ago , sliced em up put a hook in em and let them drift round ;D Whatever next? The "allies carrot" salmon fly? ;D Seriously though,£325 and up is a lot of cabbage (sorry) to be stumping up for untested technology.Who will be the first to wet their toe in that water I wonder?Lets see some reviews of the actual product! |
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Post by silverinvicta on Apr 9, 2007 18:30:49 GMT -1
I am in total agreement shocker..one thing though if you do bust one they would be very nice shredded, mixed with Toasted dessicated coconut and currants and served with a green salad...as Dai would say ........Yummy....   Si |
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Post by cullster on Apr 9, 2007 19:28:52 GMT -1
John i know i am being picky , but that would be Yum! Yum! ;D  |
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Post by silverinvicta on Apr 9, 2007 20:04:57 GMT -1
John i know i am being picky , but that would be Yum! Yum! ;D Dai my sincere apologies my podgy little mate, i hope it did'nt offend you......HeHeHe.  |
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Post by buzzerman on Apr 9, 2007 20:21:56 GMT -1
i think after that remark john you should go for a new carroter reference lol ;D |
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Post by watermole on Apr 9, 2007 20:53:16 GMT -1
From what we can see from the photos, the blanks themselves look good- shame about the handles. Sorry, but they are a complete letdown,-and on a new product too!
That cork shape and finish leaves everything to be desired!
Leaving that aside, I don't think we should be too hasty in judging this new rod material; we should certainly not condemn it out of hand. All products need time to evaluate their practical worth and potential and if their action and damping is as described, they might well be on to a real revolution.
When fibre-glass came on to the market in post-war Britain, it was received with just caution-and rightly so. Quite frankly, they were plain awful, and the hollow fibre-glass that followed was even worse! (as far as fly-fishing was concerned)
It was heavy, in many cases far heavier than cane, the action-if you could call it that- was terrible and the damping almost non-existent. They sold simply because there was little alternative to cane,the problem with that was that there were so many really cheap and very poorly made cane rods around that the material got a thoroughly undeserved bad name.
Remember when carbon-fibre, or "graphite" as it was incorrectly called, first came out?
Not that good was it; a bit unpredictable, snapped without warning and a very indifferent action.
But look at the best of the carbon-fibre rods today-and look also at the price tickets on them! Is an umpteen piece trout rod costing £5-6-700 or more really that much better than a two-or three piece one of say £150 when all you want to do is go fish your river for sea-trout?
Modern carbon-fibre has been researched and developed to further point than any previous rod material and it cannot be denied that the best of them are good, very good-but not perfect.
As I see it, the most important item anyway is not the rod, but the line. You can cast the best lines with a broom handle, even off the top of your arm, as I once saw demonstrated;-the best-and most expensive rod in the world will not cast a piece of string very far!
The price ticket on these first-generation new rods is about that for a mid-range carbon one, so not really excessive; and if they do turn out to be be nicer to use than carbon fibre, then you will have bought a bargain....
................we shall see.
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Post by silverinvicta on Apr 9, 2007 22:35:42 GMT -1
I would still not buy one without having seen a good reputable testing of the rod and would prefer to have a cast myself.....as you said David, early models of several now common materials, were abysmal when first produced....I was the proud owner of a 13'.6" SPORTEX ...what a beast in glass.That was a very early hollow glass rod and one of the longest produced for quite a few years. Once bitten..... Si |
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Post by watermole on Apr 10, 2007 21:50:18 GMT -1
I take your point Si, C/F rods have become so finely developed now-and very affordable- that I feel anglers are going to think long and hard before parting with cash for a largely unknown quantity.
I do take my hat off to 'Justcast' though, for venturing what must be a pretty significant cash investment to try and get their rods off the ground, so-to-speak. I suppose that nearly all the rods available today are C/F and leading Manufacturers are constantly investing 'mega-bucks' (to use an appropriate Americanism) to try and stay ahead of their rivals. The result is that the market is flooded with rods of every price range, with a generally good standard of finish, but I cannot help feeling that C/F is not necessarily the be-all and end-all of materials.
Even the best of them seem to have that cold, clinical 'dead' feeling, a factor not helped by insensitive line material, and I do realize that this personal appraisal will be very difficult to comprehend by those who have never used anything else; but nevertheless,I believe it to be true; there IS scope for development in rod-making material today and who is to say that this new process is not the way forward?
At all events, it will be a long time before this new material, or a development of it, becomes accepted, largely on account of existing bias and cash investment by big-name C/F rod blank makers, but I for one wish them success.
As for 'Try before you buy', not many dealers can really offer this facility. The reality in most cases is that, you read up the field test report by an 'expert' who may have never even seen the water on which you intend to use your rod, pick other peoples' brains, waggle it around in the shop and trust in your own judgement. I am of the opinion that, new tackle buying is a bit of a lottery, based on personal experience.
Incidentally, I too flirted briefly with tubular glass when it first appeared; it was an 8 1/2' Milbro 'Trufly', rated about #5 with all the damping of a jelly on springs! I just could not get on with it, eventually giving it away and was not sorry to see the back of it!
I do remember those 'Sportex' rods, 3-piece, metal ferruled and about an inch thick at the butt-did you have a Mitchell 300 to go with it?-or were you a 'Rapidex' man!
Best wishes,
W.m.
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Post by silverinvicta on Apr 10, 2007 22:20:38 GMT -1
Hi David, I used and still use fixed spools and centrepins, yes i was a "300" man, but my main weapon was an Ariel and trudex's, I still use "wheels" by preference, I love all branches of fishing and a crisp autumn day on the river with my old 12' Pateke-morton trotter and a wheel, bait bag round my neck and a few bits in my pockets, put me where there are ladies and i,m in heaven ;D . Even better if on the Welsh Dee. Though i am just as happy with a fly rod fishing for Sewin. I too wonder what compound will be used for rods next, I feel carbon fibre still has a way to go. We will, as you said, have to wait and see  Si |
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Post by macemu on May 4, 2007 20:49:41 GMT -1
When these new Curran rods were being tested and it rained the rods got "brewers droop", so it was back to the drawing board as they say. But with every new material that comes on the market everyone is bound to be dubious at first. Carbon Fibre has many miles to go, and Fenwick put in Armaveil [Kevlar] into some of their rods to make them even tougher, but for a Kevlar rod these were very light. There was a guy hooked and landed a 38lb Salmon on one of those Fenwick single hand 9'0" 6/7 in Norway. But why do we hear every year the same old story about there being a world shortage of carbon fibre, just so that manufacturers have justification to put the price of fly fishing rods up. Its like reels, every time you open a fising magazine the amount of new reels keep on doubling. IF this rod is an improvement and all its bummed up to be and they improve the cork handle, and if they start to say there is a world shortage of carrot's, i'm sure we could all find a place in our gardens for a patch, maybe we could get a reduction on the price of a rod. Jasper Carrott beware!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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